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Baroness Warnock: Dementia sufferers may have a 'duty to die'
telegraph.co.uk ^ | September 19, 2008 | Martin Beckford

Posted on 09/18/2008 8:30:30 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

The veteran Government adviser said pensioners in mental decline are "wasting people's lives" because of the care they require and should be allowed to opt for euthanasia even if they are not in pain.

She insisted there was "nothing wrong" with people being helped to die for the sake of their loved ones or society.

The 84-year-old added that she hoped people will soon be "licensed to put others down" if they are unable to look after themselves.

Her comments in a magazine interview have been condemned as "immoral" and "barbaric", but also sparked fears that they may find wider support because of her influence on ethical matters.

Lady Warnock, a former headmistress who went on to become Britain's leading moral philosopher, chaired a landmark Government committee in the 1980s that established the law on fertility treatment and embryo research.

A prominent supporter of euthanasia, she has previously suggested that pensioners who do not want to become a burden on their carers should be helped to die.

Last year the Mental Capacity Act came into effect that gives legal force to "living wills", so patients can appoint an "attorney" to tell doctors when their hospital food and water should be removed.

But in her latest interview, given to the Church of Scotland's magazine Life and Work, Lady Warnock goes further by claiming that dementia sufferers should consider ending their lives through euthanasia because of the strain they put on their families and public services.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: comingtoamerica; cultureofdeath; elderly; euthanasia; healthcare; utilitarianism
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1 posted on 09/18/2008 8:30:30 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The 84-year-old added that she hoped people will soon be “licensed to put others down”
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Yes, well this women has lived way beyond her usefulness...

Time to put her out of her misery...

And “put her down”


2 posted on 09/18/2008 8:33:21 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (McCain/Palin Now that's a ticket that deserves a tagline)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Lady Warnock, a former headmistress who went on to become Britain's leading moral philosopher

Speaks volumes.

3 posted on 09/18/2008 8:33:52 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Free ThinkerNY

She sounds demented.


4 posted on 09/18/2008 8:36:41 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I wonder what she thinks about these people taking up space on earth? http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92592545


5 posted on 09/18/2008 8:37:00 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter(the Godfather of Terror) allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
pensioners in mental (and physical) decline are "wasting people's lives" and have a 'duty to die'

"Hey! That's my line." Democrat Richard Lamm Governor of Colorado in the 1980s and 90s

Hillary-Obama Kare: the economical solution to the Social Security / Medicare problem

6 posted on 09/18/2008 8:37:01 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Coming soon to Britain...


7 posted on 09/18/2008 8:37:48 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I had two grandparents die of Alzheimer’s Disease and for 3-5 years, they were literally out of their minds. The moral issue comes when the caregivers have to decide whether or not they are in pain, that is the true issue.

It would be very hard to euthanize a parent or spouse, just putting a dog to sleep is very trying, much less a person.

I hate to say it, but in the coming Orwellian times we are approaching with cameras, DNA tracking, retina tracking, massive databases with fingerprints, buying patterns, finacial and medical records, even microchips (please excuse my David Icke and Alex Jones digressions), euthanasia will be a fact of life in an overcrowded world with limited natural resources.


8 posted on 09/18/2008 8:38:24 PM PDT by wac3rd (The MSM will accompany the Captain of the SS Marxist Titanic to the bottom of Lake Michigan)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
So one's parents are like pets - once they become too infirm physically or mentally to be enjoyable anymore, one can put them down.

At least Hitler's new followers are openly adopting his justifications: the lives of some people are inconvenient.

This is much more honest than those who claim that murdering the elderly is an act of mercy towards the victim - they admit now that it is an act of convenience for the murderer.

9 posted on 09/18/2008 8:38:29 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Interesting how Pope Benedict just spoke about this on Sept 15, 2008. This is an issue near to my heart since my mom has been suffering from dementia since at least 2002.

“People must accept death at “the hour chosen by God,” Pope Benedict XVI told ailing pilgrims Monday in an anti-euthanasia message at Lourdes, the shrine that draws the desperate, sick and dying.”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080915/ap_on_re_eu/eu_france_pope


10 posted on 09/18/2008 8:38:35 PM PDT by koraz
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This ‘dame’ should get together with Nicholas Provenzo. He wants the ‘nonproductive burdens’ eliminated in utero and she wants them off’ed in their golden years.


11 posted on 09/18/2008 8:39:09 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: Tennessee Nana

Soylent Green is people. It is NOT a stretch to go pro-choice on whether a person has the right to “choose” to support their Grannies. Planned Grandparenthood, here we come.


12 posted on 09/18/2008 8:42:13 PM PDT by Semperfiwife (Common sense is in short supply in Washington)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Typical materialist person


13 posted on 09/18/2008 8:47:42 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This is exactly how Nazi Germany started.
It’s called “quality of life” and soon others will make that determination for everyone.
Until “they” have the compliant populace they so desire.


14 posted on 09/18/2008 8:49:01 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Obama campaign activist illegally hacked Palin's email system for political reasons.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Daisy? Rose? Have you seen Daddy?

I hope that Warnock women doesn't have him.

15 posted on 09/18/2008 8:50:02 PM PDT by BBell
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To: Free ThinkerNY
The veteran Government adviser said pensioners in mental decline are "wasting people's lives" because of the care they require and should be allowed to opt for euthanasia even if they are not in pain.

Okay Lady Warnock.... you first. You sound like a good waste of skin....

16 posted on 09/18/2008 8:51:39 PM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: wac3rd

Euthanasia harms the living; same with abortion.

I know a doctor who killed her mother with morphine. The mother would have died of cancer anyway, but the daughter remains a tormented soul.


17 posted on 09/18/2008 8:52:07 PM PDT by littlehouse36 (Baghdad, meet Chicago.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Universal Healthcare


18 posted on 09/18/2008 8:53:54 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: wac3rd
in an overcrowded world with limited natural resources.

You have gulped from the Left's BS Koolaid.

19 posted on 09/18/2008 8:54:45 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: wac3rd

Do you mean the overcrowded world that would fit in the state of Texas?


20 posted on 09/18/2008 8:57:46 PM PDT by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire..)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

You first Baroness.


21 posted on 09/18/2008 8:57:53 PM PDT by Nachum (Sarah Palin: Baberaham Lincoln)
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To: Tennessee Nana

An old lady or an old man with an AK 47 hunting down people who support this nonsense could probe their worth in a moment or two, don’t you think?


22 posted on 09/18/2008 9:00:25 PM PDT by B4Ranch (I'd rather have a VP that can gut a Moose, than a President that want's to gut our Second Amendment!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The Nazis called it “Lebensunwertes Leben”, or “Life Unworthy of Life”, and it was one on the intellectual underpinnings of the Holocaust.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_unworthy_of_life


23 posted on 09/18/2008 9:01:29 PM PDT by the lone wolf (Good Luck, and watch out for stobor.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

NAZI-STYLE EUGENICS....

People who long for Socialized Healthcare should be careful of what they wish for.
They may just get it.


24 posted on 09/18/2008 9:02:05 PM PDT by tcrlaf (SARAH PALIN-The American Everywoman (Yes, You Really CAN!))
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To: mabelkitty
This is exactly how Nazi Germany started.

The jump in ethics starts whenever the concept of "health" and "medicine" stops being an ethic of individuals, as it had been for 2400 years in the Hypocratic/Christian ethic, and is transferred to the health of society.

If health applies to an individual, then medicine is used to treat a sick patient and make them healthy. If the health of society is the goal, then medicine can be denied to the individual, or to even make them sicker or die, in order to make the society healthier.

These are naturally very different outcomes, one good and one evil, but it is accomplished with only a slight adjustment to one's ethics, so slight most people don't notice.

26 posted on 09/18/2008 9:04:14 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: wac3rd
Found this great book for you. Here is a review:

The Population Bomb (1968) is a book written by Paul R. Ehrlich. A best-selling work, it predicted disaster for humanity due to overpopulation and the "population explosion". The book predicted that "in the 1970s and 1980s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death", that nothing can be done to avoid mass famine greater than any in the history, and radical action is needed to limit the overpopulation. History proved Ehrlich wrong, as the mass starvations predicted for the 1970s and 1980s never occurred.

27 posted on 09/18/2008 9:04:31 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter(the Godfather of Terror) allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

And the love of many continues to grow cold.

Many people are mis-diagnosed with dementia, when it really is because they are highly deficient in B vitamins, particularly B-12. People deficient in these vitamins often mimic many symptoms of dementia, but they do not actually have dementia.


28 posted on 09/18/2008 9:05:52 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

She added, “And those that are healthy, we can butcher up and eat.”

Remember, soylent green is people.


29 posted on 09/18/2008 9:06:48 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Lady Warnock, a former headmistress

She must have been fun at school. "No running in the halls...or we put you down! No talking...or we put you down!"

The difference between liberals and conservatives is that we want the government to take care of the genuinely incapacitated who cannot take care of themselves. Liberals want to euthanize them and spend the money on able-bodied people who can but prefer not to work.

30 posted on 09/18/2008 9:14:24 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("[Obama acts] as if the very idea of permanent truth is passe, a form of bad taste"-Shelby Steele)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
This woman helped pave the way for the current horrific cloning and embryo research which Britain is pushing so hard.

She has done incalculable damage to Britain's prospects for survival as a civilized society which protects and cherishes human life. Barbarism awaits.

31 posted on 09/18/2008 9:15:53 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: Free ThinkerNY
This kind of disgusting mentality, if widely accepted, guarantees that no cure for Alzheimer's will ever be developed - why treat sufferers of dementia when it's so much cheaper to kill them?

I observed earlier in response to a posted article about government proposals to implement direct control of driver vehicles that Britain has become a terrible place to live. This article does nothing to change my opinion.
32 posted on 09/18/2008 9:17:39 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AnotherUnixGeek; All

Hmmm...

My beloved husband, who has supported me and helped me raise my four children, suddenly now is afflicted with Parkinson’s.

In spite of our marriage of 42 years, I should now consider “putting him down”, because he can no longer navigate an armless chair on a carpet in a restaurant?

Maybe he can’t manage to transplant my overgrown lilac bush? Maybe he has decided not to drive any longer, or needs to use a 4-pronged cane so he won’t fall when walking?

So, at what point is he of no use to society any more? When he can no longer pay the bills? Earn a living with his mind?

Please tell me at what point in the long slippery slope into the twilight of our lives does he become a burden? When do I, for that matter?

Should the two of us just go out this winter, lie down in the snow, and go gracefully into a frozen sleep? How do we explain this choice to our grandchildren? (think about that very carefully)


33 posted on 09/18/2008 9:29:23 PM PDT by jacquej
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Talk about the culture of death!


34 posted on 09/18/2008 9:32:48 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Free ThinkerNY
It is an interesting point of view for a (cough!) moral philosopher. It is the notion that human life may be measured by what that life can "contribute"; that is, that the measure of such a life must be made with respect to the resources it commands on the part of the collective as opposed to those not that it has contributed in the past, but that it might contribute in the future. The premise of this enlightened calculus is that the individual's rights are granted by the collective and not the other way around.

This is quite a different thing from that individual voluntarily granting others the right to make a decision on his or her behalf. I would hope that a competent moral philosopher would not be confused by the difference but frankly I don't see that here. Perhaps the lady was misquoted. Or confused. Or simply beyond her ability to contribute...but then we see where that leads. Don't we?

35 posted on 09/18/2008 9:47:30 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Dr. Peter Singer, call your office!


36 posted on 09/18/2008 9:47:51 PM PDT by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

She reminds me of the leaders of Islamic terrorism who urge their followers to commit suicide bombings but don’t do it themselves or allow their children to do it.

Despicable. And the natural landing place of the Culture of Death that permits killing of the innocent, the unborn.


37 posted on 09/18/2008 9:52:11 PM PDT by Roy Tucker ("You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality."--Ayn Rand)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Time to put her out of her misery...

To the knacker for the old horseface...

38 posted on 09/18/2008 9:52:17 PM PDT by politicalwit (AKA... A Tradition Continues...Now a Hoosier Freeper)
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To: tcrlaf
Margaret Sanger

Founder of Planned Parenthood

In Her Own Words:

On respecting the rights of the mentally ill: In her "Plan for Peace," Sanger outlined her strategy for eradication of those she deemed "feebleminded." Among the steps included in her evil scheme were immigration restrictions; compulsory sterilization; segregation to a lifetime of farm work; etc.

-- Birth Control Review, April 1932, p. 107

On the extermination of blacks: "We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."

-- Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon

On eradicating 'bad stocks': The goal of eugenicists is "to prevent the multiplication of bad stocks," wrote Dr. Ernst Rudin in the April 1933 Birth Control Review (of which Sanger was editor). Another article exhorted Americans to "restrict the propagation of those physically, mentally and socially inadequate."

http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm

http://margaretsanger.blogspot.com/

39 posted on 09/18/2008 10:16:04 PM PDT by zipper
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To: Free ThinkerNY

40 posted on 09/18/2008 10:22:31 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: wac3rd
euthanasia will be a fact of life in an overcrowded world with limited natural resources.

I cringe when I hear people talk about an "overcrowded world". That is the perception of people who choose to live in crowded cities. I live in Idaho. Massive open space. Not crowded at all. I you really believe the world is overcrowded, you need to get out more.

41 posted on 09/18/2008 10:32:45 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: AmericaUnited

OK.

Let’s visit real numbers....30 million illegals with effectively no education or net worth inporting 2-4 relatives with similar resumes.

Do you see a potential fiscal problem, Mr. Bush or Schwartzenegger?

No, making the US the world’s largest barrio is great, as long as I can get big ag, big construction, big banking, big insurance’s campaign donations so they can pay 1/2 to 1/3 less in wages for what jobs are left here...and move the unregulated farms and manufacturing facilities from here to Mexico, China or the Phillipines.

Yes, paying someone $2 per day with no retirement, no benefits and no 401K contribution is easier than 50x that for an American worker. If I save $98 per worker, per day, that adds up, plus not dealing with the regulation and oversight...makes sense to me.


42 posted on 09/18/2008 11:00:49 PM PDT by wac3rd (The MSM will accompany the Captain of the SS Marxist Titanic to the bottom of Lake Michigan)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“The underlying motive was the desire to help individuals who could not help themselves and were thus prolonging their lives in torment. ... To quote Hippocrates today is to proclaim that invalids and persons in great pain should never be given poison. But any modern doctor who makes so rhetorical a declaration without qualification is either a liar or a hypocrite. ... I never intended anything more than or believed I was doing anything but abbreviating the tortured existence of such unhappy creatures…… I am convinced that today they have overcome their distress and personally believe that the dead members of their families were given a happy release from their sufferings.”

Testimony of Dr. Karl Brandt, Nuremberg War Crimes Trials, also Adolf Hitler personal physician. Sentenced to death and executed June 2, 1948 at Landsberg prison in Bavaria.

http://www.pregnantpause.org/euth/nazieuth.htm


43 posted on 09/18/2008 11:28:28 PM PDT by DakotaRed (Don't you wish you had supported a conservative when you had the chance?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I thought the Brits FOUGHT the Nazis.


44 posted on 09/19/2008 1:09:09 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Great Obamanation of Desolation, attempting to sit in the Oval Office, where he ought not..)
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To: long hard slogger; FormerACLUmember; Harrius Magnus; hocndoc; parousia; Hydroshock; skippermd; ...


And think of all the $$$ the governement will "save"......

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45 posted on 09/19/2008 6:15:44 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: hinckley buzzard

“Lady Warnock, a former headmistress who went on to become Britain’s leading moral philosopher”
Speaks volumes.

It sure does — about Britain’s morality or lack thereof.


46 posted on 09/19/2008 7:29:44 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This lady is extremely well respected as one of the UKs most prominent moral philosophers and yet I cannot agree with either her terminology nor her views regarding this topic. She needs to be pointed in the direction of the Bradford Dementia Group and especially the work of the late and much lamented Tom Kitwood. Here was a man who refused to believe that those with a dementing illness were burdensome. Both he and his colleagues produced some brilliant research work to show that, rather than the person suffering from this horrible illness being a burden, it is us as a society via our malevolent social psychology who will always look for the easy options when it comes to caring for the dementing individual. He must be spinning in his grave to know that a highly respected academic is now proposing “the final solution” as one of the options available to carers. Disgusting and contemptible are words which came to mind when reading this article. Who next?. Older people in general?.


47 posted on 09/19/2008 10:20:55 AM PDT by lesback1 (Not very welll thought through or researched.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

It would be the patriotic thing to do, like paying higher taxes. /sarcasm


48 posted on 09/19/2008 12:07:41 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Brother, can you spare a dime?)
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To: wac3rd

‘I hate to say it, but in the coming Orwellian times .... euthanasia will be a fact of life in an overcrowded world with limited natural resources.”

Orwell has nothing to do with it. Its respect for life or not. Its can you be bothered to care for those less able to or not. We have plenty of resources to fly actors around the world but none to keep grandma alive? BS

But if your so anxious then please go first.


49 posted on 09/19/2008 5:41:31 PM PDT by driftdiver (No More Obama - The corruption has not changed despite all our hopes.)
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To: mewzilla

Bump for later.


50 posted on 12/26/2010 8:34:56 AM PST by mewzilla (Hey, Schumer, how's that Lockerbie bomber deal investigation coming along?)
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