Skip to comments.Baroness Warnock: Dementia sufferers may have a 'duty to die'
Posted on 09/18/2008 8:30:30 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
The veteran Government adviser said pensioners in mental decline are "wasting people's lives" because of the care they require and should be allowed to opt for euthanasia even if they are not in pain.
She insisted there was "nothing wrong" with people being helped to die for the sake of their loved ones or society.
The 84-year-old added that she hoped people will soon be "licensed to put others down" if they are unable to look after themselves.
Her comments in a magazine interview have been condemned as "immoral" and "barbaric", but also sparked fears that they may find wider support because of her influence on ethical matters.
Lady Warnock, a former headmistress who went on to become Britain's leading moral philosopher, chaired a landmark Government committee in the 1980s that established the law on fertility treatment and embryo research.
A prominent supporter of euthanasia, she has previously suggested that pensioners who do not want to become a burden on their carers should be helped to die.
Last year the Mental Capacity Act came into effect that gives legal force to "living wills", so patients can appoint an "attorney" to tell doctors when their hospital food and water should be removed.
But in her latest interview, given to the Church of Scotland's magazine Life and Work, Lady Warnock goes further by claiming that dementia sufferers should consider ending their lives through euthanasia because of the strain they put on their families and public services.
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The 84-year-old added that she hoped people will soon be “licensed to put others down”
Yes, well this women has lived way beyond her usefulness...
Time to put her out of her misery...
And “put her down”
She sounds demented.
I wonder what she thinks about these people taking up space on earth? http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92592545
"Hey! That's my line." Democrat Richard Lamm Governor of Colorado in the 1980s and 90s
Hillary-Obama Kare: the economical solution to the Social Security / Medicare problem
I had two grandparents die of Alzheimer’s Disease and for 3-5 years, they were literally out of their minds. The moral issue comes when the caregivers have to decide whether or not they are in pain, that is the true issue.
It would be very hard to euthanize a parent or spouse, just putting a dog to sleep is very trying, much less a person.
I hate to say it, but in the coming Orwellian times we are approaching with cameras, DNA tracking, retina tracking, massive databases with fingerprints, buying patterns, finacial and medical records, even microchips (please excuse my David Icke and Alex Jones digressions), euthanasia will be a fact of life in an overcrowded world with limited natural resources.
At least Hitler's new followers are openly adopting his justifications: the lives of some people are inconvenient.
This is much more honest than those who claim that murdering the elderly is an act of mercy towards the victim - they admit now that it is an act of convenience for the murderer.
Interesting how Pope Benedict just spoke about this on Sept 15, 2008. This is an issue near to my heart since my mom has been suffering from dementia since at least 2002.
“People must accept death at “the hour chosen by God,” Pope Benedict XVI told ailing pilgrims Monday in an anti-euthanasia message at Lourdes, the shrine that draws the desperate, sick and dying.”
This ‘dame’ should get together with Nicholas Provenzo. He wants the ‘nonproductive burdens’ eliminated in utero and she wants them off’ed in their golden years.
Soylent Green is people. It is NOT a stretch to go pro-choice on whether a person has the right to “choose” to support their Grannies. Planned Grandparenthood, here we come.
Typical materialist person
This is exactly how Nazi Germany started.
It’s called “quality of life” and soon others will make that determination for everyone.
Until “they” have the compliant populace they so desire.
I hope that Warnock women doesn't have him.
Okay Lady Warnock.... you first. You sound like a good waste of skin....
Euthanasia harms the living; same with abortion.
I know a doctor who killed her mother with morphine. The mother would have died of cancer anyway, but the daughter remains a tormented soul.
You have gulped from the Left's BS Koolaid.
Do you mean the overcrowded world that would fit in the state of Texas?
You first Baroness.
An old lady or an old man with an AK 47 hunting down people who support this nonsense could probe their worth in a moment or two, don’t you think?
The Nazis called it “Lebensunwertes Leben”, or “Life Unworthy of Life”, and it was one on the intellectual underpinnings of the Holocaust.
People who long for Socialized Healthcare should be careful of what they wish for.
They may just get it.
The jump in ethics starts whenever the concept of "health" and "medicine" stops being an ethic of individuals, as it had been for 2400 years in the Hypocratic/Christian ethic, and is transferred to the health of society.
If health applies to an individual, then medicine is used to treat a sick patient and make them healthy. If the health of society is the goal, then medicine can be denied to the individual, or to even make them sicker or die, in order to make the society healthier.
These are naturally very different outcomes, one good and one evil, but it is accomplished with only a slight adjustment to one's ethics, so slight most people don't notice.
The Population Bomb (1968) is a book written by Paul R. Ehrlich. A best-selling work, it predicted disaster for humanity due to overpopulation and the "population explosion". The book predicted that "in the 1970s and 1980s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death", that nothing can be done to avoid mass famine greater than any in the history, and radical action is needed to limit the overpopulation. History proved Ehrlich wrong, as the mass starvations predicted for the 1970s and 1980s never occurred.
And the love of many continues to grow cold.
Many people are mis-diagnosed with dementia, when it really is because they are highly deficient in B vitamins, particularly B-12. People deficient in these vitamins often mimic many symptoms of dementia, but they do not actually have dementia.
She added, “And those that are healthy, we can butcher up and eat.”
Remember, soylent green is people.
She must have been fun at school. "No running in the halls...or we put you down! No talking...or we put you down!"
The difference between liberals and conservatives is that we want the government to take care of the genuinely incapacitated who cannot take care of themselves. Liberals want to euthanize them and spend the money on able-bodied people who can but prefer not to work.
She has done incalculable damage to Britain's prospects for survival as a civilized society which protects and cherishes human life. Barbarism awaits.
My beloved husband, who has supported me and helped me raise my four children, suddenly now is afflicted with Parkinson’s.
In spite of our marriage of 42 years, I should now consider “putting him down”, because he can no longer navigate an armless chair on a carpet in a restaurant?
Maybe he can’t manage to transplant my overgrown lilac bush? Maybe he has decided not to drive any longer, or needs to use a 4-pronged cane so he won’t fall when walking?
So, at what point is he of no use to society any more? When he can no longer pay the bills? Earn a living with his mind?
Please tell me at what point in the long slippery slope into the twilight of our lives does he become a burden? When do I, for that matter?
Should the two of us just go out this winter, lie down in the snow, and go gracefully into a frozen sleep? How do we explain this choice to our grandchildren? (think about that very carefully)
Talk about the culture of death!
This is quite a different thing from that individual voluntarily granting others the right to make a decision on his or her behalf. I would hope that a competent moral philosopher would not be confused by the difference but frankly I don't see that here. Perhaps the lady was misquoted. Or confused. Or simply beyond her ability to contribute...but then we see where that leads. Don't we?
Dr. Peter Singer, call your office!
She reminds me of the leaders of Islamic terrorism who urge their followers to commit suicide bombings but don’t do it themselves or allow their children to do it.
Despicable. And the natural landing place of the Culture of Death that permits killing of the innocent, the unborn.
To the knacker for the old horseface...
Founder of Planned Parenthood
In Her Own Words:
On respecting the rights of the mentally ill: In her "Plan for Peace," Sanger outlined her strategy for eradication of those she deemed "feebleminded." Among the steps included in her evil scheme were immigration restrictions; compulsory sterilization; segregation to a lifetime of farm work; etc.
-- Birth Control Review, April 1932, p. 107
On the extermination of blacks: "We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."
-- Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon
On eradicating 'bad stocks': The goal of eugenicists is "to prevent the multiplication of bad stocks," wrote Dr. Ernst Rudin in the April 1933 Birth Control Review (of which Sanger was editor). Another article exhorted Americans to "restrict the propagation of those physically, mentally and socially inadequate."
I cringe when I hear people talk about an "overcrowded world". That is the perception of people who choose to live in crowded cities. I live in Idaho. Massive open space. Not crowded at all. I you really believe the world is overcrowded, you need to get out more.
Let’s visit real numbers....30 million illegals with effectively no education or net worth inporting 2-4 relatives with similar resumes.
Do you see a potential fiscal problem, Mr. Bush or Schwartzenegger?
No, making the US the world’s largest barrio is great, as long as I can get big ag, big construction, big banking, big insurance’s campaign donations so they can pay 1/2 to 1/3 less in wages for what jobs are left here...and move the unregulated farms and manufacturing facilities from here to Mexico, China or the Phillipines.
Yes, paying someone $2 per day with no retirement, no benefits and no 401K contribution is easier than 50x that for an American worker. If I save $98 per worker, per day, that adds up, plus not dealing with the regulation and oversight...makes sense to me.
“The underlying motive was the desire to help individuals who could not help themselves and were thus prolonging their lives in torment. ... To quote Hippocrates today is to proclaim that invalids and persons in great pain should never be given poison. But any modern doctor who makes so rhetorical a declaration without qualification is either a liar or a hypocrite. ... I never intended anything more than or believed I was doing anything but abbreviating the tortured existence of such unhappy creatures I am convinced that today they have overcome their distress and personally believe that the dead members of their families were given a happy release from their sufferings.”
Testimony of Dr. Karl Brandt, Nuremberg War Crimes Trials, also Adolf Hitler personal physician. Sentenced to death and executed June 2, 1948 at Landsberg prison in Bavaria.
I thought the Brits FOUGHT the Nazis.
“Lady Warnock, a former headmistress who went on to become Britain’s leading moral philosopher”
It sure does — about Britain’s morality or lack thereof.
This lady is extremely well respected as one of the UKs most prominent moral philosophers and yet I cannot agree with either her terminology nor her views regarding this topic. She needs to be pointed in the direction of the Bradford Dementia Group and especially the work of the late and much lamented Tom Kitwood. Here was a man who refused to believe that those with a dementing illness were burdensome. Both he and his colleagues produced some brilliant research work to show that, rather than the person suffering from this horrible illness being a burden, it is us as a society via our malevolent social psychology who will always look for the easy options when it comes to caring for the dementing individual. He must be spinning in his grave to know that a highly respected academic is now proposing “the final solution” as one of the options available to carers. Disgusting and contemptible are words which came to mind when reading this article. Who next?. Older people in general?.
It would be the patriotic thing to do, like paying higher taxes. /sarcasm
‘I hate to say it, but in the coming Orwellian times .... euthanasia will be a fact of life in an overcrowded world with limited natural resources.”
Orwell has nothing to do with it. Its respect for life or not. Its can you be bothered to care for those less able to or not. We have plenty of resources to fly actors around the world but none to keep grandma alive? BS
But if your so anxious then please go first.
Bump for later.
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