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Muslims quit at Swift
Grand Island Independent ^ | Sept. 19, 2008 | Tracy Overstreet

Posted on 09/19/2008 1:20:26 PM PDT by AuntB

GRAND ISLAND —

About 50 to 80 Muslims quit at the JBS Swift & Co. meatpacking plant Thursday night.

Dan Hoppes, president of the United Food and Commercial Workers Union Local No. 22, said the matter stems from the recent debate over break time for the purpose of prayer during the holy month of Ramadan.

"There were some Muslim people who wanted to get the rest of the people to back them to moving their (dinner) break to an earlier time, and when that did not happen, the rest of the people went back to work and those people protesting got loud and boisterous. It wasn't a physical altercation at all," Hoppes said.

But there was fear that it might get physical, so the police were called into the Swift plant about 9 p.m.

"By the time the police got there, it was settled down, and several of them went ahead and quit or left the plant," Hoppes said. "They were told either go back to work or leave.

"Some of them chose to leave -- to quit," Hoppes said.

The workers who quit were from B shift -- the evening shift that typically works from 3 to 11:30 p.m.

About 500 Somalian workers had staged a similar prayer protest on Monday and Tuesday. An earlier dinner break time was negotiated with the Muslims, Swift and the union, but that was then rescinded after the majority of other Swift workers counterprotested on Wednesday and Thursday.

Things seemed to be back to normal at the plant today, Hoppes said.

"The morning shift started (Friday) morning -- I think they are full, and the B shift, if they are short that many people, it will be a little slower, but they are planning (to run) just like regular," he said.

A call to Swift's corporate headquarters in Greeley, Colo., was not returned.


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What you MUST read is the article from yesterday from the same source.

Thanks to cripplecreek, and his comment is right on: "The Swift plant is a microcosm of the coming America, balkanization and all."

This one tells it all. There's a little culture war going on at the Swift meat packing plant in Grand Island, USA . The newly imported Somali Muslims have DEMANDED and gotten special hours, privilege to practice their religion and culture in the workplace. The rest of the workers lose hours, etc. to please these new refugees and this makes them unhappy. And WHO is the MOST unhappy among them?

ILLEGAL HISPANIC ALIENS!

You have to admit one thing. At least they will stand and fight for what they want, whether they deserve it or not. Most of us won't fight for what is ours. We could learn a lesson from them.

The entire article is a HOOT! It boggles the mind. And the worst of it, is the Swift Company, knowingly hiring illegal workers. Buy from companies that don't exploit workers and leave US Citizens jobless!

Here are the highlights.

http://www.theindependent.com/news/x1213267511/Striking-and-misinformation-at-Swift-night-fight-breaks-out

GRAND ISLAND —Day four of strikes at the JBS Swift & Co. meatpacking plant in Grand Island opened with a majority of A-shift workers (6 a.m. to 2:30 p.m.) walking off the job Thursday in a continued counterprotest -- and ended with police called to a reported riot in the Swift cafeteria.

Reports Thursday night from workers at the scene indicated that a fight broke out between about 20 to 30 Somalian and Hispanic workers, but that the scuffle was under control in less than half an hour. A police team was called to Swift about 9 p.m. and entered the building. Shortly after, a group of Somalian workers were seen exiting Swift from north side doors and heading toward the parking lots.

Veronica Yebra said the numbers were down because most protesting A-shift workers were being blocked from leaving the plant building after clocking in.

"They are in the cafeteria," Yebra said. "The green hats (management) and supervisors are blocking the doors."

B-shift protester Jose Amya said he and fellow strikers on Wednesday were threatened by Swift management.

"They told the illegal immigrants they don't have the right to express their opinion," Amya said. "A superintendent told people who don't have documents that they don't have a right to express their opinion or they will be fired."

Amya said he knows there are undocumented workers at the plant and so do company officials. Swift was raided on Dec. 12, 2006, by Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials, who arrested 252 Swift workers. Thirty-three were charged with using false documents to get a job at Swift.

Amya said striking B-shift workers Wednesday were also told that 300 scabs -- workers willing to cross a picket line -- from Texas and Florida would be brought in if the workers didn't return to their lines.

"They told us everybody outside the building will be fired," Yebra said from outside the plant Thursday morning.

Human resources spokeswoman Mary Chmelka approached the Swift fence and spoke to B-shift protesters gathered outside the plant on Thursday.

"I suggest you get a representative from every culture," she said, issuing an invitation to a 2 p.m. Thursday sit-down meeting.

Hoppes said no such meeting occurred because counterprotesters refused to meet.

But the counterprotesters did have some demands.

Donato Medina held a hand-written list in Spanish.

It included pay for days on strike, a raise, having equal break times, equal consideration for promotions (longer-term Hispanics allege being bypassed by Somalian workers), having an on-site Health Department representative to tend to workplace injuries, cleaning bathrooms strewn with water and paper, acquiring more parking so shift workers can be on time and being treated with respect as a human being instead of being treated like a machine.

Sudanese protester Gatluak Wuol from the B shift wanted to distinguish his culture as being different from the Muslims from Somalia.

"We have a different religion. I'm Christian," Wuol said. "We support this (the counterprotest) because we need equal rights."

"We respect where they come from -- I'm from someplace else and have a different religion," Hispanic protester Juan Guebara said. "We want equal opportunity to everything. Everybody needs to be together."

"I'm not upset with the Somalians," Yebra said. "It's the company -- the decision. They gave in so easy. We have Hispanics and Vietnamese and Laotians. It affects all of us, and we want the same opportunity for everyone."

"I don't know what happened," Hoppes said. "I think we have problems between races.”

1 posted on 09/19/2008 1:20:26 PM PDT by AuntB
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To: AuntB

Doesn’t Swift make pork products? Oh the hypocrisy!


2 posted on 09/19/2008 1:22:03 PM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: AuntB

Thanks for the post!!


3 posted on 09/19/2008 1:22:08 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: gubamyster; cripplecreek; pissant; Travis McGee; SierraWasp; Issaquahking; Calpernia; ...

“”I suggest you get a representative from every culture,” she said, issuing an invitation to a 2 p.m. Thursday sit-down meeting.”

Grab yer barfbag ping!


4 posted on 09/19/2008 1:23:02 PM PDT by AuntB ( "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: GOP Poet

Good. We don’t need to put up with this nonsense.


5 posted on 09/19/2008 1:23:40 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: AuntB

Now if they’ll just move back to Somalia, America will have that many fewer terrorists.


6 posted on 09/19/2008 1:24:57 PM PDT by farmer18th (Iraqi Nation Building GWB-Style: "No law that contradicts.. Islam may be established")
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To: farmer18th

My thoughts exactly!


7 posted on 09/19/2008 1:26:44 PM PDT by MrLee (Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalyim!! God bless Eretz Israel.)
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To: AuntB

I wonder when a Radovan Karadzic will rise from the shadows and become an American political and social leader.


8 posted on 09/19/2008 1:27:49 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: AuntB

I would check that food very closely for any foreign material (pun not really intended)


9 posted on 09/19/2008 1:27:51 PM PDT by xDGx
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To: AuntB

Now I REALLY DON’T want to see how that sausage is made ...


10 posted on 09/19/2008 1:27:52 PM PDT by 11th_VA (VRWC Local 2774 - Working to make DC, RAT free)
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To: Parley Baer
Good. We don’t need to put up with this nonsense.

Agreed. Generally-speaking, Muslims are miserable, antagonistic, anti-American, boorish, insufferable alleged human-beings. They are welcome to leave America permanently.

Kind of like Liberals / dhimmicrats.

11 posted on 09/19/2008 1:27:55 PM PDT by kromike
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To: AuntB
About 50 to 80 Muslims quit at the JBS Swift & Co. meatpacking plant Thursday night.

Good! And don't let the door hit ya where the good Allah split ya!

12 posted on 09/19/2008 1:28:25 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: AuntB

Reading this stuff makes me ill. What part of this was that wonderful future we looked forward to in the 1970s?

Today we allow our nation to be overrun. We allow nationals from other nations to dictate our workplace rules. We grant loans to people who can’t possibly service them. We watch as our lending institutions melt down jeopardizing our whole nation. One of our presidential candidates actually suggests we should gift mortgages to those who can’t pay for them. Our president introduces trillion dollar plans to bail out the unthinkable. And I’m not convinced he has much choice.

Honestly folks, we’re in jeopardy of losing our nation here. The days of some folks saying, “Oh it’s no big deal.” are over. These things add up to a very big deal.

This is where we have come through indifference. Will continued indifference bring us something better over the next forty years? Ah, no!!!

It’s time to tell people on both sides of the isle, the gig is up. America first or hit the road. This isn’t Mexico, Saudi Arabia, France, the E.U. or the U.N. It’s the U.S.A., and it’s time we started acting like it.


13 posted on 09/19/2008 1:29:36 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac president... Obama the strychnine president...)
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To: Parley Baer
It's a "Swift" problem, not yours. But it does look like the company caved to the Somalis entirely too easy. May be it's because the Somalis are "tough" ~ they exude toughness ~ but in my experience they are absolutely honest in their dealings.

Others may have a different experience of course.

Could be Swift accommodated the Somalis because they do their work AND they are here legally.

This just highlights a problem illegal aliens have ~ no right to negotiate with management.

14 posted on 09/19/2008 1:30:21 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: AuntB
About 50 to 80 Muslims quit at the JBS Swift & Co. meatpacking plant Thursday night.

That's great!

80 down; 420 to go...

Small steps are good...

15 posted on 09/19/2008 1:31:14 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Lizavetta

I might be reading too much into this, but I’m thinking there were 10 to 30 instigators who went through on their threats to quit. They expected the rest of the Somalis to join then, but only 30 to 50 did.

I’m guessing on the numbers, but if I’m correct in concept, they aren’t far off.


16 posted on 09/19/2008 1:33:10 PM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: DoughtyOne

“This is where we have come through indifference. Will continued indifference bring us something better over the next forty years? Ah, no!!!”

Well, DoughtyOne, none of these arriving groups are indifferent are they? And that’s why we’re losing.

I don’t know how to change it. Reminds me of an old song...

“You see it your way, I see it my way...
But we both see it slipping away...”


17 posted on 09/19/2008 1:33:17 PM PDT by AuntB ( "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: AuntB
Geez. I hate to think what disgruntled workers put into the food products.

I'm not boycotting Swift, but a reasonable man would avoid the products in the near future.

18 posted on 09/19/2008 1:37:16 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: AuntB
I pulled off I-80 to find a post office last summer into Grand Island (off the main drag) and I thought I drove into a 3rd world country.

My actual first thought was "Roll Them Up!"

I lived in Nebraska from 1965 to 1989 and visit Omaha often and had no idea Grand Island was like that.

19 posted on 09/19/2008 1:37:38 PM PDT by UNGN (I've been here since '98 but had nothing to say until now)
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To: AuntB

As long as we nominate people on our side that haven’t a clue what you and I are talking about, it isn’t going to change, I can guarantee you. That’s why I’m still not going to be voting for John. I won’t help usher in what he is going to be doing. There’s a general mindset that allows all of this to happen, and there is nobody on the horizon, unless Sarah pans out to be the one, that will even acknowledge it. Will she? Will her values survive McCain’s fist four years? Will the numbskull primary voters who gave us McCain, give us Sarah in 2012? Good luck...

Taking a look at what is taking place today, I ask if Sarah would even be handed off a nation capable of being rescued in 2012, even if the primary voters did pull their heads out.


20 posted on 09/19/2008 1:39:36 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac president... Obama the strychnine president...)
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To: AuntB

I don’t care what problems either racial/ethnic/religious groups have. I don’t want ANY of them making food that I might buy in a grocery store. I’ll look twice at the labels on who makes the food I pick up from now on.


21 posted on 09/19/2008 1:41:42 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: AuntB

A have a great solution. Don’t hire muzzies.


22 posted on 09/19/2008 1:42:29 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: AuntB

Those that quit will probably lawyer up or go to Tennessee and join their Muslim brothers at the Tyson plant.


23 posted on 09/19/2008 1:44:00 PM PDT by TxPhysicist (Police response is 15 minutes, mine is about 15 seconds -- does that make me a first responder?)
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To: AuntB

I’m happy for those that quit this beastly company! Now they have plenty of time to pray. See ya at the prayer rug...or not. /s


24 posted on 09/19/2008 1:44:42 PM PDT by Don Carlos (No8Do)
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To: AuntB

“They told the illegal immigrants they don’t have the right to express their opinion,” Amya said. “A superintendent told people who don’t have documents that they don’t have a right to express their opinion or they will be fired.”

Besides the low pay, long hours and no benefits, an important reason employers like using illegals: if they `squawk’, they walk. They hold their status over their heads.
(Who knows? Mebbe supervisors call ICE when a group of illegals `get too big for their britches’; seen many employers getting rousted?)


25 posted on 09/19/2008 1:46:08 PM PDT by tumblindice (I'm sticking by my guns and voting for conservatives.)
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To: AuntB

They quit and already came back this week. Did they quit again AFTER coming back?


26 posted on 09/19/2008 1:46:43 PM PDT by weegee (Obama's a uniter?"I want you to argue with them (friends,neighbors,Republicans) & get in their face")
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To: AuntB

“There were some Muslim people who wanted to get the rest of the people to back them to moving their (dinner) break to an earlier time”

So the line would have fewer people while some were on break? Or would the whole line have to eat earlier?


27 posted on 09/19/2008 1:48:03 PM PDT by weegee (Obama's a uniter?"I want you to argue with them (friends,neighbors,Republicans) & get in their face")
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To: AuntB
Muslims quit at Swift

Now they get it! This is the United States of America.

If they want break time for Muslim prayer it's the convention in cesspools ruled by shari'a. Go there.

28 posted on 09/19/2008 1:50:16 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: AuntB
“”I suggest you get a representative from every culture,” she said, issuing an invitation to a 2 p.m. Thursday sit-down meeting.”

Corporate socialism (in the name of political correctness) is killing American business.

29 posted on 09/19/2008 1:51:19 PM PDT by weegee (Obama's a uniter?"I want you to argue with them (friends,neighbors,Republicans) & get in their face")
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To: muawiyah
but in my experience they are absolutely honest in their dealings

We have a large Somali population nearby us. I generally concur with your observation. I am also glad that Swift did what was right by the entire work force, not just a few. The few did not like the rules and they quit. Not a big deal. If you don't like your current situation, then look for something better. That is what makes a free market work.

30 posted on 09/19/2008 1:52:52 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign state.)
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To: All
What's the matter with Swift? Are they unAmerican!

Why haven't they moved operations to China?

:)

31 posted on 09/19/2008 1:53:03 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: AuntB
"They told the illegal immigrants they don't have the right to express their opinion," Amya said. "A superintendent told people who don't have documents that they don't have a right to express their opinion or they will be fired."

Exactly why we need very stiff prison sentences for management of companies like this.
32 posted on 09/19/2008 1:55:10 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Voting Conservative isn't for the faint of heart.)
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To: AuntB

Don’t let the door hit you on the burqa on the way out.


33 posted on 09/19/2008 1:55:46 PM PDT by Sig Sauer P220 (Conceal carry - Don't leave home without it.)
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To: AuntB
CAGE MATCH!!!

May BOTH groups receive a SWIFT and hard kick in the ass from the wingtip end of a size 12 American-made executive dress shoe...that's been freshly buffed and shined with pig lard.

34 posted on 09/19/2008 1:55:52 PM PDT by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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To: DoughtyOne

We are seeing the net results of several years of unchecked multi-culturismn at work these days and it is going to only worsen beyond our wildest dreams or better yet, fears if allowed to continue unabated.


35 posted on 09/19/2008 1:57:04 PM PDT by Ron H. (If you don't stand for conservatism then you'll fall for socialism.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
I'm not boycotting Swift, but a reasonable man would avoid the products in the near future.

No sh1t. I'd let the current crop of products expire on the grocer's shelf before I went back to buying that "stuff".
36 posted on 09/19/2008 1:57:40 PM PDT by Sig Sauer P220 (Conceal carry - Don't leave home without it.)
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To: weegee
They quit and already came back this week. Did they quit again AFTER coming back?

Damn, they're back already? Like a bad case of hemhorroids. I'm not buying meatpacking products for a long time, between that and the illegals, no telling what the h311 you're ingesting.
37 posted on 09/19/2008 1:59:46 PM PDT by Sig Sauer P220 (Conceal carry - Don't leave home without it.)
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To: farmer18th

if they’ll just move back to Somalia, America will have that many fewer terrorists.


Move back? No way. They have their marching orders adnthat is to infiltrate this country -—patiently awating the day...

Instead of rounding them up and sending them back to hell...we let these inherently violent Muslims in this country on a daily basis...


38 posted on 09/19/2008 2:01:22 PM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
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To: AuntB

I’m sorry but I don’t want to eat any pork products handled by Muslims.


39 posted on 09/19/2008 2:03:05 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: muawiyah

...but in my experience they are absolutely honest in their dealings.


Somalis - honest? Maybe with their fellow Muzzies——You haven’t been to their mnosques...and heard what they really believe about non muslims...


40 posted on 09/19/2008 2:03:58 PM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
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To: AuntB
The following is adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat:

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system. Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components. Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called ‘religious rights'.

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to ‘the reasonable’ Muslim demands for their ‘religious rights,’ they also get the other components under the table. Here’s how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

Nation % Muslim
United States 1.0%
Australia 1.5%
Italy 1.5%
Norway 1.8%
Canada 1.9%
China 2.0%



At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Nation % Muslim
Denmark 2.0%
United Kingdom 2.7%
Germany 3.7%
Spain 4.0%
Thailand 4.6%



From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. (United States).

Nation % Muslim
Switzerland 4.3%
Philippines 5.0%
Sweden 5.0%
The Netherlands 5.5%
Trinida and Tabago 5.8%
France 8.0%



At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world. When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris –car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam - Mohammed cartoons).

Nation % Muslim
Guyana 10.0%
India 13.4%
Israel 16.0%
Kenya 10.0%
Russia 15.0%



After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

Nation % Muslim
Ethiopia 32.8%



At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Nation % Muslim
Bosnia 40.0%
Chad 50.1%
Lebanon 59.7%



From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Nation % Muslim
Albania 70.0%
Malaysia 60.4%
Qatar 77.5%
Sudan 70.0%



After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Nation % Muslim
Bangladesh 83.0%
Egypt 90.0%
Gaza 98.7%
Indonesia 86.1%
Iran 98.0%
Iraq 97.0%
Jordan 92.0%
Morocco 98.7%
Pakistan 97.0%
Syria 90.0%
Tajikistan 90.0%
Turkey 99.8%
United Arab Emirates 96.0%



100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Nation % Muslim
Yemen 99.9%
Afghanistan 100.0%
Saudi Arabia 100.0%
Somalia 100.0%




Of course, that’s not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.

"Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel."

– Leon Uris, ‘The Haj’.


It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.


41 posted on 09/19/2008 2:08:49 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: Ron H.

I agree. Thank you Ron.


42 posted on 09/19/2008 2:09:08 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac president... Obama the strychnine president...)
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To: Lizavetta

All the Muslim troublemakers there need to be Swift-Booted!


43 posted on 09/19/2008 2:15:39 PM PDT by Judges Gone Wild
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To: eleni121

Tell me about it. I’ve been arguing with an inter-faith quack for the last two weeks—a guy who thinks the local Muslim population is anxious to integrate and learn the ways of western representive republics.

How many have to die before we realize the enemy is Islam?


44 posted on 09/19/2008 2:17:37 PM PDT by farmer18th (Iraqi Nation Building GWB-Style: "No law that contradicts.. Islam may be established")
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To: Slapshot68

Unless there’s more than one Swift plant at G I, I believe this one is a beef plant for “fat” cattle (younger stock that produce good steaks). I hauled a load there a couple of years ago.


45 posted on 09/19/2008 2:27:49 PM PDT by farmer matt
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To: DoughtyOne

You make some very salient points.


46 posted on 09/19/2008 2:31:43 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: AuntB

Our food supply is that much safer


47 posted on 09/19/2008 2:35:01 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Thank you.


48 posted on 09/19/2008 2:39:13 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac president... Obama the strychnine president...)
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To: verga; All

Yours is one of the best summaries I have read on how Muslims operate.

I will keep and share. I suggest that everyone read, remember, and act accordingly.


49 posted on 09/19/2008 2:58:07 PM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
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To: savedbygrace
I might be reading too much into this, but I’m thinking there were 10 to 30 instigators who went through on their threats to quit. They expected the rest of the Somalis to join then, but only 30 to 50 did.

Don't forget, these instigators are probably the Muslim leaders in the community, like a community organizer : ^ ) and Islam is not like other religions where people separate their faith, politics, family, community into neat little compartments so they can actually interrelate on social levels like civilized human beings

Islam is a total system, a lifestyle, this is hardly the end of this

Expect a few heads to roll, literally.

50 posted on 09/19/2008 3:17:38 PM PDT by Popman (McCain as POTUS is odious, Obama as POTUS is unthinkable.)
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