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The [LA Metrolink] Investigation: Texting Might Not Be the Cause.
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Posted on 09/24/2008 2:01:30 PM PDT by WaveMan

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To: WaveMan
If text-messaging doesn't turn out to be the cause of the crash, there's going to be a LOT of disappointed CA legislative DUmmies that will be upset!

It'll make it harder for them to pass a stricter law on cell phone use in vehicles.

MORONS!

21 posted on 09/24/2008 2:25:31 PM PDT by RogerWilko
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To: Joe 6-pack

ROTFLMAO!!


22 posted on 09/24/2008 2:26:08 PM PDT by bayliving (Democrats used to be funny. Now they're just plain dangerous.)
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To: WaveMan

That truck driver in FL who hit the school bus was on his cell phone...

Big penalties should be given to drivers who talk and crash

Prison for injuries and/or death etc...

I’ve been in too many near misses myself...

I dont dare toot at them ...

What if they are startled and theres an accident anyway ???

I’d rather have 6 drunks around me than one Grandma with a lethal weapon cell phone in her hand...

No drunk has ever hit me.....


23 posted on 09/24/2008 2:26:09 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (McCain/Palin Now that's a ticket that deserves a tagline)
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To: DManA
BNSF has been working on an Electronic Train Management System (ETMS) for a couple of years now. Last I heard they were still in trials, but the technology looks promising.
24 posted on 09/24/2008 2:29:38 PM PDT by UncleDick (Sola fide)
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To: WaveMan
This situation, with the train having three solid warnings, plus the matter of the switch, meant there was something bad going on: either the engineer became disabled or he let the accident happen on purpose.

Furthermore, he said the conductor on the train — a guy who would know every inch, every bump, every switch, every light — had a responsibility he didn’t handle.

Foul play or suicide pact?

25 posted on 09/24/2008 2:35:06 PM PDT by Interesting Times (Swiftboating, you say? Check out ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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To: DManA

I work for a company that makes just such devices. Unfortunately all such systems are in early rollout phase and we cannot ramp up to installing systems on every train in the country. If we had ten or fifteen years, sure - but rumor is the FRA is going to demand something in place by 2012. That’s not enough time.


26 posted on 09/24/2008 2:36:48 PM PDT by JenB
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To: WaveMan; balch3

Sanchez’ last boyfriend recently hanged himself in Sanchez’ apartment, or so I’ve read. A very, very unstable homosexual, IMHO. He might have just gotten a “bugger off” text from his young boy pal, and he decided to end it all. Just a guess.


27 posted on 09/24/2008 2:46:57 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: WaveMan

I now think it was suicide. The freight train he ran into was a regularly scheduled freight train so he new it would be in the area. He had to have crossed its path on many occasions. The freight train had a camera on board so that will prove interesting.


28 posted on 09/24/2008 2:53:17 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: El Cid
Also add to this that elderly lady that he just decided years ago to be friendly with (even he mentioned she thought it was a bit odd with the age difference and all.) for the first time told him she was unable to meet with him (off the cuff--he called out of the blue and wanted to get together, but it wasn't enough time for her to get ready so she said, "no.") and he was uncharacteristically gruff and cold with her when she said no. This is the last time she spoke with him.

I think a case could be made that this was a suicide/homicide. Regarding the old partner that 'hung' himself. It might be worth it to reopen the case as a double check that it was not a murder. Whether or not the engineer is responsible for his ex-partner's death, he still could have committed a murder-suicide with the Metrolink. He sounded a bit like a mental case.

29 posted on 09/24/2008 2:59:02 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: WaveMan; All
As we learned from 1974's The Taking of Pelham 123 (being remade with John Travolta for a 2009 release) NYC subway trains have a "dead man switch" that requires the motorman to stand on a particular spot for the train to be able to be driven.  I wonder why other trains (apparently) don't have a similar feature? 
30 posted on 09/24/2008 3:02:17 PM PDT by Stoat (Palin / Coulter 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
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To: WaveMan

What about the diabetic condition? Can you go into diabetic shock and become disabled physically or mentally?

He was afraid of being fired for having diabetes.


31 posted on 09/24/2008 3:02:22 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (PALIN-MANIA ... I haz it!)
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To: Parley Baer

I don’t think he would have texted to that kid that he was meeting the next train in Camarillo if he was planning on dying in minutes.

What about diabetic shock?


32 posted on 09/24/2008 3:03:44 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (PALIN-MANIA ... I haz it!)
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To: DManA
I’m amazed that there is no automatic fail safe mechanism to stop the train of the engineer fatally screws up.

Me, too. I've got some railroad technical books from the '40s squirrelled away in a box somewhere that describe failsafe systems for this sort of thing.

33 posted on 09/24/2008 3:11:35 PM PDT by Vroomfondel
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To: WaveMan

Interesting comments following the article at the link. Someone there even suggested terrorism.

I wonder what the text messages were?

I don’t know how they could make things much safer. It sounds like they’ve got stuff in place already.


34 posted on 09/24/2008 3:23:46 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Mind you, I'm not endorsing that theory, just floating the possibility, or thinking "aloud" as it were. It seems to me, if it were some type of intentional terror some group would have claimed responsibility, or there would have been a coordinated effort so it was obvious (i.e., 9/11 or 7/7).

But what better way to be able to keep up with little acts of terrorism than to not take credit for it and let people keep thinking that it was an accident?

35 posted on 09/24/2008 3:26:36 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: BunnySlippers

A person in diabetic shock is not going to have enough wits to have sent a text message moments prior.


36 posted on 09/24/2008 3:33:41 PM PDT by Clay Moore (Newspapers, the 8 track tape of the information age.)
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To: metmom
"But what better way to be able to keep up with little acts of terrorism..."

Certainly not outside the realm of possibility. I just think not so likely in this case. Certainly our infrastructure (i.e. roads, rails, airways, utilities, etc.) are all prime targets, but even without the threat to terror they are all subject to accidents and failures. Without a concerted, coordinated campaign to foul them up, any would be terrorist organization loses visibility and effect altogether. As long as this is viewed as a freak accident, people will clear off the tracks and get back on the train the next day. If it is believed that there could be additional incidents in the coming days or weeks, ridership goes down, people alter their way of life and the terrorist achieve their little victory.

Just my opinion. I hand't heard anything about the jilted homosexual angle, and the other personal and medical problems this engineer had until I read this thread...those tidbits bolster my opinion this wasn't caused by an external party.

37 posted on 09/24/2008 3:37:45 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: DAC21
Autopsy might be able to determine if he was already dead or incapacitated

I thought trains use a dead-man switch, no?

38 posted on 09/24/2008 4:03:22 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: Clay Moore

I didn’t know people could go into shock with diabetes. Sounds like it’s debilitating.


39 posted on 09/24/2008 4:18:00 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (PALIN-MANIA ... I haz it!)
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To: GoLightly

Not precisely. They mostly use a “keep-alive” button that has to be pressed at regular intervals. Slight difference and it works well unless there’s something really wrong.

Passenger trains may be different, most of my experience is with freight trains.


40 posted on 09/24/2008 4:22:32 PM PDT by JenB
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