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How has $700 Billion plus?

Posted on 09/25/2008 10:40:14 AM PDT by tenger

Can somebody help me to understand the whole picture here because we keep talking about this amount of money as though it exists. As far as I understand it the question is would it be alright if they add $700 billion or however much it ends up being to the national debt. Isn't the problem that our national debt is so high it is dubious whether people want to do business with us because we are so far in debt? They keep saying the tax payers are going to pay it...when are we going to pay it? How much are the installments going to be for me personally, how long do we have? Since that amount of money does not currently exist where will they get it before the tax payers have paid for it? Are they going to print money?


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: bailout

1 posted on 09/25/2008 10:40:14 AM PDT by tenger
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To: tenger

The US debt ceiling will be raised to pay for
the “Barney Frank Chris Dodd Rescue Bill”

Those two ought to get a room tonight and celebrate doing what Barney enjoys best, to the entire US treasury


2 posted on 09/25/2008 10:44:38 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: tenger

It’s just a simple matter of having 1 billion of us cut a check for $700. No big deal.


3 posted on 09/25/2008 10:45:33 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: tenger
All very good questions. I think we will go further in debt and the taxpayers will be the ones who pay the bills, as usual. It should never have been allowed to get this far.

Carolyn

4 posted on 09/25/2008 10:45:45 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: tenger
If you read Adam Smith's “Wealth of Nations” you will learn money and wealth grow as long as economies grow. You have to have a balance of money supply to seed growth.

If the economy doesn't grow, you cannot expanded the money supply without hyperinflation.

OTOH, you cannot have growth with no growth in money supply.

That's why this plan is tricky. If you don't calm markets and address liquidity, you won't have growth; if have too much money and fail to grow, you are going to have to raise rates to the mid 20s to avoid hyperinflation.

That's why this is above 0bama’s pay grade.

5 posted on 09/25/2008 10:48:03 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sen Robert Byrd - Ex community organizer)
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To: tenger
It sounds to me like you don't need any help understanding it. I think you've got it about right.

I'm still not understanding the part about why we should all pay for the unwise lending/borrowing of others.

6 posted on 09/25/2008 10:48:49 AM PDT by j. earl carter
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To: tenger

The problem is that the “loss” is a paper loss due to an accounting rule, and probably is no where near $700M.

Most of these mortgages will be paid in full. A small percentage are bad paper. Because they are bundled together in these mortgaged backed securities, they are sold as a lot. Buyers, wary of getting stuck with the few bad loans in the bundle don’t want to buy so the price of the Mortgaged Backed Securities drop. What does this have to do with the crisis? EVERYTHING.

After the S&L bailout in the 80s the Congress changed the rules and required banks to value their securities by a method called “mark to market”. They have to list assetes on their books at the current market price, rather than the actual value. If they held mortgages totalling $10,000,000, but because the market is down, they could only list them on the books at $1,000,000, the bank will have lost $9M in assets and lost the ability to loan $90M (the can loan up to 10x the value of their assets), reducing their ability to operate, causing the bank to fall into a crisis. Get rid of the mark to market rule and the crisis we’re in now becomes much, much smaller.


7 posted on 09/25/2008 10:51:05 AM PDT by RayBob (If guns kill people, can I blame misspelled words on my keyboard?)
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To: tenger
$700,000,000,000.00

That's Huge!

8 posted on 09/25/2008 10:55:14 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: tenger

Unless you’re a high finance person it’s a little hard to understand. It involves issuing short term treasuries to banks in a reverse auction format, meaning the banks will have to bid to the Treasury for cash. It’s up to the Treasury then to decide whether the bank can repay the bond.


9 posted on 09/25/2008 10:55:30 AM PDT by oldleft
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To: Perdogg
You've addressed the reason that somebody needs to step in and address the situation. Freddie Mae and Fannie Mac sold bonds to raise funds to buy the mortgages. Now, the bondholders are not being paid off. Therefore, the bond holders end up owning foreclosed real estate instead of getting their money back. That's the liquidity you're talking about.

The question is: how much is the govt. going to give these bondholders? Will the govt. pay full face value? Why should the taxpayers buy this foreclosed real estate at greater than market value? If the govt. wants to buy the real estate at market rates to inject money back into the markets, then I have no problem. However, I'm almost sure that won't happen. We are obviously going to buy these foreclosed properties at greater than market prices, and IMO, everyone should have a problem with that.

10 posted on 09/25/2008 11:04:12 AM PDT by j. earl carter
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To: tenger

Try to think of it as a business deal rather than a political thing. Suppose you had the opportunity to buy all your neighbors houses for say, 5 cents on the dollar. Your questions would be, #1, what are they really worth and #2, can I make money by eventually re-selling them. From what I’ve heard and read, the discounted loans which have NOT defaulted are worth several times what Paulson will pay for them, and once the economy is stabilized, the government will sell them back to the private sector, at a profit. So it’s a good deal even if it’s necessary to borrow the money to do the initial purchase. And the US Government is the only “investment banker” with enough cash to do this deal.

The bigger question is, how much of this eventual profit will ever come back to the taxpayers? I think we all know the answer to that...especially if BHO gets elected.

On the other hand, it might bail out social security.


11 posted on 09/25/2008 11:05:26 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: tenger
How has $700 Billion plus?

$700 billion divided by $264,000(the average U.S. home price in 2004) equals over 2.65 million houses. Hmmm, funny the way these numbers are thrown about...wonder how much is supposed to stick to the 'right' fingers?

12 posted on 09/25/2008 11:17:58 AM PDT by eldoradude (Let's water the tree of liberty with THEIR blood...)
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To: tenger
The government can neither earn money, nor create it.

Only worker/taxpayers can.

So, no matter how the problem is resolved, even doing nothing, the taxpayer will pay.

The only thing missing is the details:

Higher taxes?
Inflation?
A longer working life?
A more equitable distribution of who pays taxes?
(40% of "wrokers" pay no income tax at all).

A combination of all four?

13 posted on 09/25/2008 11:32:33 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: tenger

OK, if the mortgages are guaranteed in order to protect the subprime borrowers from losing their houses, what motivation do they have to pay? Or doesn’t that question make sense? I’m not an economist.


14 posted on 09/25/2008 11:44:13 AM PDT by tenger
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To: tenger

It’s easy, they’ll just print more money!


15 posted on 09/25/2008 12:48:28 PM PDT by autumnraine (McCain/Palin 08)
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