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Proposed Bailout is Too Little, Too Late; Too Much, Too Soon
Weiss Research ^ | 9/25/2008 | Weiss Research

Posted on 09/25/2008 10:00:38 PM PDT by solfour

New data and analysis demonstrate that the proposal before Congress for a $700 billion financial industry bailout is too little, too late to end the massive U.S. debt crisis; and, at the same time, too much, too soon for the U.S. Government bond market where most of the funds would have to be raised.

[... Lots of detail in the pdf file]

(Excerpt) Read more at moneyandmarkets.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bailout; bonds; debt; weiss
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Weiss Research has done an excellent job in predicting the twists and turns in this crisis.

Their figures and opinions in this white paper should be considered seriously.

This is the mother of all financial crises.

1 posted on 09/25/2008 10:00:39 PM PDT by solfour
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To: solfour

Any propping up of the Ponzi scheme should involve an unavoidable path to end the Ponzi scheme.


2 posted on 09/25/2008 10:03:42 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: solfour

As long as the ‘RATS are going to pull crap like putting in a wad of money for the criminals at ACORN, this thing will never get passed.


3 posted on 09/25/2008 10:03:50 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Barack Hussein Osama is a liar.)
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To: solfour

I don’t know if you listen to Glenn Beck, but he believes Congress has no intention of solving our problem with the bailout, he just thinks they are trying to make sure that the inevitable crash happens slowly instead of quickly.


4 posted on 09/25/2008 10:03:56 PM PDT by kc8ukw
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To: solfour

Bump for later read.


5 posted on 09/25/2008 10:04:40 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: kc8ukw
I don’t know if you listen to Glenn Beck, but he believes Congress has no intention of solving our problem with the bailout, he just thinks they are trying to make sure that the inevitable crash happens slowly instead of quickly.

I agree with Glenn Beck's analysis, but as Weiss & Larson point out...

This bill, approaching $1 trillion, is so extreme, it is undeniable that
  1. It could double or triple the federal deficit in a very short period of time.
  2. Such a dramatic increase in the deficit would drive up the cost of borrowing not only for the U.S. Treasury, but also for other bonds and for millions of Americans seeking a mortgage or other credit, since Treasury yields are the benchmarks against which most borrowing is based.
  3. To the degree that the Federal Reserve purchases U.S. government securities for its own account to help support bond prices, it would devalue the U.S. dollar, risking a dollar collapse and the flight of much-needed foreign capital from the U.S.
  4. Ultimately, either of these outcomes — sharply higher U.S. interest rates or a U.S. dollar collapse — could seriously aggravate the very debt crisis that the bailout plan seeks to address.
Of course, we've accumulated obligations of $3 trillion for our adventure in Iraq, and our debt is many trillion more than when George W. Bush took office.

The big lesson is...TANSTAAFL.

6 posted on 09/25/2008 10:12:36 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: solfour

>“The US will lose its status as the superpower of the world financial system. This world will become multi­polar” with the emergence of stronger, better capitalised centres in Asia and Europe, Mr Steinbrück told the German parliament. “The world will never be the same again.”

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1d6a4f3a-8aee-11dd-b634-0000779fd18c.html


7 posted on 09/25/2008 10:13:37 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: Gondring

Nuts. That’s the second time I’ve had to use an acronym dictionary because of Free Republic today.


8 posted on 09/25/2008 10:16:01 PM PDT by kc8ukw
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To: solfour
From the white paper:

" The notional (face value) amount of derivatives held by U.S. commercial banks is $180.3 trillion."

"One single institution, JPMorgan Chase (JPM), holds $90 trillion, or 49.9% of all derivatives held by U.S. commercial banks, a concentration of risk that is unprecedented in modern U.S. history."

So this why Chase is getting all the sweetheart deals from the Fed.

9 posted on 09/25/2008 10:21:39 PM PDT by Left2Right ("It's going to be a long eight years...maybe not!")
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To: Left2Right

Probably. No doubt Chase is the first one on the promise list for bailout money too. I thought it was going to be WAMU... Well I guess it still is really. The president and CEO of JPM just happens to have a seat on the NY FED. His name is Jamie Dimon... One of the 25 highest paid men.


10 posted on 09/25/2008 10:32:58 PM PDT by Revel
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just thinks they are trying to make sure that the inevitable crash happens slowly instead of quickly.

Giving the big boyz time to quietly unwind their positions without triggering a panic. While tempting small investors back into the market to make those unwinds more lucrative.

11 posted on 09/25/2008 10:36:33 PM PDT by Notary Sojac (I'll back the bailout if Angelo Mozilo lets me borrow his Lamborghini on Saturday nights.)
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To: Notary Sojac

Maybe, but for those of us in the know, it’s time for us too.


12 posted on 09/25/2008 10:45:12 PM PDT by kc8ukw
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To: kc8ukw

True, my plan is to hold the portion of my 401K which is still in stocks until bailout + 3 days. Then I’m gone like a greased weasel...


13 posted on 09/25/2008 10:47:26 PM PDT by Notary Sojac (I'll back the bailout if Angelo Mozilo lets me borrow his Lamborghini on Saturday nights.)
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To: kc8ukw

“he believes Congress has no intention of solving our problem with the bailout, he just thinks they are trying to make sure that the inevitable crash happens slowly instead of quickly.”

As far as I know, Glenn is correct. How can you solve the problem with inflation if the problem is inflation? In order for there to be economic growth, we need to have enough investments along profitable lines to make up for all the trillions of dollars of unprofitable investments that have been made. It’s extremely difficult to do that without liquidating useless capital and saving money for future investment. And that takes time.

Meanwhile, the federal government is ready to pump more money into unprofitable ventures, which would both eat up more savings and prevent investment along other lines. Not allowing the currency to crash is good, but the only way to do that is to further debase the currency, which only makes the inflation problem worse.

What everyone’s looking for is a “soft landing.” I can’t help but worry that we’re going to go on inflating while we slip into recession, which would give us that wonderful stagflation.


14 posted on 09/25/2008 10:58:44 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: kc8ukw
he just thinks they are trying to make sure that the inevitable crash happens slowly instead of quickly.

I think I would say "later rather than sooner". But releasing the pressure later rather than sooner generally leads to a larger explosion, or in this case implosion.

But, if it does happen before the election, it will be blamed on the Republicans, (bad economic times are almost always blammed on the party that holds the White House at the time) and there already too little time to make the case as to who the real culprits are.

15 posted on 09/25/2008 11:18:05 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Tublecane
What everyone’s looking for is a “soft landing.” I can’t help but worry that we’re going to go on inflating while we slip into recession, which would give us that wonderful stagflation.

Probably something worse than that. Not sure what the term would be for price inflation while real GDP, and jobs, drop like a stone.

16 posted on 09/25/2008 11:21:05 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: kc8ukw
I don’t know if you listen to Glenn Beck, but he believes Congress has no intention of solving our problem with the bailout, he just thinks they are trying to make sure that the inevitable crash happens slowly instead of quickly.

The house of CarDS needs to be brought down before it will be possible to see where money is needed. For the fed to inject 700 billion into the market while the house of CarDS is still standing would be to throw good money after bad.

17 posted on 09/25/2008 11:31:01 PM PDT by supercat
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To: Notary Sojac
Giving the big boyz time to quietly unwind their positions without triggering a panic. While tempting small investors back into the market to make those unwinds more lucrative.

They're trying to delay the crash, not make it happen more slowly. For the latter approach, I'd suggest requiring that credit default swaps be publicly reported before they can be paid, and limit the speed of payouts based upon the leveraging ratio. That would provide some balance in payouts.

18 posted on 09/25/2008 11:34:19 PM PDT by supercat
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A crash cannot be totally avoided. We know that the piper's gotta be paid for the Benzedrine-style bubbles of 1995-2006.

So what's better? Short and sharp or moderate and long-lived?

19 posted on 09/25/2008 11:46:05 PM PDT by Notary Sojac (I'll back the bailout if Angelo Mozilo lets me borrow his Lamborghini on Saturday nights.)
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So what's better? Short and sharp or moderate and long-lived?

Stuff should drop in a sufficiently-controlled fashion to avoid the arbitrary allocation of funds that would occur in an uncontrolled crash, but the printing of new money to inject must be minimized to avoid lingering problems.

20 posted on 09/25/2008 11:52:53 PM PDT by supercat
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