What I am up to speed on is Berg's lawsuit. That is what this article is about. And that is what I was discussing.
He might be right.
Well at least you acknowledge that Berg argues that it matters.
I just happen to think the likelihood of this particular argument winning the day is about 2% while the birth certificate (Proven to be a forgery) knocking Obama around will be significantly higher.
Fine. And I just happen to think that the claims made by Berg in his lawsuit make the birth certificate a non-issue
Because if he was born in Hawaii, he’s natural born.
But Berg argues that his Indonesian citizenship trumps whatever status he may have had as "natural born" by being born in Hawaii.
If he was born in Kenya, he’s a naturalized (ahem, illegally naturalized) citizen and he’s disqualified in the constitution.
But I haven't seen any evidence that he was born in Kenya. Whereas I have seen evidence that he was born in Hawaii. Both the photos of what Obama claims to be a certification of birth issued by the State of Hawaii and giving a date of birth of August 4, 1961, and the photo of the Jakarta school record which states he was born in Honolulu and also gives a date of birth of August 4, 1961.
I don’t get that impression. I get the impression you’re trying to steer the conversation to Berg...
Trying to steer the conversation to Berg? The subject of this article is Berg's lawsuit. The title says "US State Department Subpoena Denial in Obama Eligibility Suit." The subtitle says "Update on latest information from Berg v. Obama regarding eligibility for POTUS."
So if I am trying to steer the conversation to Berg, it's only because that's what I was led to believe this conversation was about.
...rather than address the very, very, very simple (and as yet unanswered) question of WHY hasn’t Obama produced a birth certificate just like McCain did?
A couple of reasons.
First, because it wasn't the subject of this article. The subject of the article was Berg's lawsuit.
Second, I can't answer that question. Nor do I see that anyone but Obama can answer that question. Anything else is just speculation. And speculation doesn't get one any closer to any meaningful answer so I don't see the point.
Personally I'd be curious to see his full form birth certificate. But speculating about why he hasn't produced it isn't going to get me any closer to seeing it nor provide me with any answers.
This morning I answered this post and then FR (or my system, not sure) crashed. I see my answer did not survive.
I see that there’s been quite a bit of activity, maybe I’ll be able to catch up and maybe not.
In the meantime, here’s an article recently posted on FR:
Note the sentence about Berg saying he’d drop the suit if the BC were produced.
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=76933
DNC steps in to silence lawsuit over Obama birth certificate
World Net Daily ^ | October 4, 2008 | Drew Zahn
Posted on Saturday, October 04, 2008 9:16:33 AM by Amityschild
The man suing Sen. Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee for proof of Obama’s American citizenship is outraged that his own party – rather than just providing the birth certificate he seeks – would step in to silence him by filing a motion to dismiss his lawsuit.
As WND reported, prominent Pennsylvania Democrat and attorney Philip J. Berg filed suit in U.S. District Court two months ago claiming Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen and therefore not eligible to be elected president. Berg has since challenged Obama publicly that if the candidate will simply produce authorized proof of citizenship, he’ll drop the suit.
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Okay, here’s my second attempt at answering this post. This time it’ll be more abbreviated.
And I just happen to think that the claims made by Berg in his lawsuit make the birth certificate a non-issue
***You’re straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel. Berg has stated publicly that he’d withdraw the lawsuit if a valid copy of the BC were produced, as I posted to you. That’s one good way to piss off a judge is to not follow through on a publicly stated promise to drop a lawsuit.
But Berg argues that his Indonesian citizenship trumps whatever status he may have had as “natural born” by being born in Hawaii.
***See previous paragraph.
But I haven’t seen any evidence that he was born in Kenya.
***There was a Kenyan birth certificate posted on FR, statements by relatives that he was born in Kenya. Unfortunately, Berg bought into a red herring when he suggested a Canadian birth — note the birth certificate was signed by Dudley Dooright. So, his case has huge holes in it, and the fact you’re focusing on this small matter compared to the real big stuff is quizzical, especially when it gets pointed out to you that Berg will drop the suit.
So if I am trying to steer the conversation to Berg, it’s only because that’s what I was led to believe this conversation was about.
***OK, I wasn’t clear on this point. You’re trying to steer the conversation to this minor little thing in Berg’s lawsuit which is subordinate to the birth certificate, even by Berg’s public statements. So you’re trying to steer the conversation to this minor point, casually overlooking at least one huge major point along your path.
Second, I can’t answer that question. Nor do I see that anyone but Obama can answer that question. Anything else is just speculation. And speculation doesn’t get one any closer to any meaningful answer so I don’t see the point.
***You’re speculating on this minor legal point about Indonesian dual citizenship trumping the birth certificate, even though Berg has stated publicly that he’d drop the suit if a BC were produced. When I ask questions along these lines, I acknowledge that I’m trying to figure out your underlying motive. What is your motive, when you swallow the camel of Dudley Dooright and Berg’s public statements but strain at a gnat of Indonesian dual citizenship?