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Pope to lead marathon Bible reading on Italian TV
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Posted on 10/03/2008 4:23:29 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion

Pope Benedict XVI will kick off a week-long reading of the Bible on Italian television starting Sunday, with readers to include three former presidents and Oscar-winning actor Roberto Benigni. Some 2,000 people will take turns reading the Bible's 73 books, from the Old Testament's Genesis to the New Testament's Book of Revelations, at Rome's Holy Cross in Jerusalem basilica.

The pope will record the first reading at the Vatican.

Senator for life Giulio Andreotti, former presidents Francesco Cossiga, Oscar Luigi Scalfaro and Carlo Azeglio Ciampi as well as several ministers in the centre-right government of Silvio Berlusconi including his top aide Gianni Letta will be among the readers.

From the world of entertainment, Benigni ("Life Is Beautiful") will be joined by filmmaker Michele Placido and blind tenor Andrea Bocelli.

A number of Muslims and Jews will also take part, but Rome's grand rabbi Riccardo Di Segni declined an invitation, telling Italian media the event seemed "too Catholic" for him though he had total respect for the initiative.

Di Segni will however become the first Jewish holy man to take part in a bishops' synod to open Sunday at the Vatican.

The Jewish holy book the Torah comprises the first five books of the Old Testament, while the New Testament is exclusive to Christianity.

Muslims consider the Bible as a precursor to their holy book, the Koran.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bible; faith; italy; pope; religion
What a great man the pope is. Bless him!

The comments are full of venom and interdenominational fighting. sigh...

1 posted on 10/03/2008 4:23:29 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion
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To: Salvation

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2 posted on 10/03/2008 4:23:54 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Lord please bless our nation with John McCain as president and Sarah Palin as Vice President! Amen.)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

I’ve been reading through the King James Bible three chapters a day since January 1, 2008. I just finished the Book of Jonah. Gotta warn the celebs there’s some dry stretches in there. Lots of begats and enumerations of the tribes of Israel. But also the greatest stuff between two covers.


3 posted on 10/03/2008 4:48:28 PM PDT by Argus (Obama: All turban and no goats.)
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To: narses

Catholic ping


4 posted on 10/03/2008 5:10:41 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Lord please bless our nation with John McCain as president and Sarah Palin as Vice President! Amen.)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

Hey Journalist- it’s Revelation in the singular. One of my all time top ten peeves.


5 posted on 10/03/2008 5:44:27 PM PDT by CalvaryJohn (What is keeping that damned asteroid?)
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To: CalvaryJohn

Stick to the original and properly call it The Apocalypse of St. John and there won’t be any confusion.


6 posted on 10/03/2008 6:23:08 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

And to think that Catholics REALLY fo read the Bible!


7 posted on 10/03/2008 8:53:53 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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8 posted on 10/03/2008 8:55:09 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Argus
I think part of the "fun" is slogging through the begats and, all of a sudden, here's an amazing little story or some other gem!

Also, to me the begats, etc. declare that God cares about each one of us, even if all we do, as far as history is concerned, is get born, have kids, and die.

I think for Advent I'll read some begats.

9 posted on 10/04/2008 5:42:52 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Argus

“Gotta warn the celebs there’s some dry stretches in there. Lots of begats and enumerations of the tribes of Israel. But also the greatest stuff between two covers.”

You’ll also become an expert in the diagnosis of Leprosy and in the design and engineering of tabernacles!


10 posted on 10/04/2008 6:59:06 AM PDT by Ozone34 ("There are only two philosophies: Thomism and bullshitism!" -Leon Bloy)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion
Muslims consider the Bible as a precursor to their holy book, the Koran.

I am not convinced that Muslims put the same emphasis on the Bible as they do the Koran. While a Judaeo-Christian ecumenical event may be appropriate, I am not sure that including a group that has uses books that have higher priority than the Bible is right.

11 posted on 10/04/2008 7:04:41 AM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: Mad Dawg

The same enumerations are repeated in several of the books. I think that’s evidence for an oral tradition in which the bards would remember the lineage of the tribes and recite it on ceremonial occasions. And it ended up written down in the scripture.


12 posted on 10/04/2008 8:30:05 AM PDT by Argus (Obama: All turban and no goats.)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

BTTT!


13 posted on 10/04/2008 8:55:56 AM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: mlocher
You don't think letting prominent Muslims read the Bible publicly will lead to more “regular” Muslims tuning in and hearing the Good News? I think it is a great way to evangelize.
14 posted on 10/04/2008 9:06:57 AM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: thefrankbaum
You don't think letting prominent Muslims read the Bible publicly will lead to more “regular” Muslims tuning in and hearing the Good News? I think it is a great way to evangelize.

I agree with you that having Muslims read the Bible publicly and hearing the Good News is generally a good thing. I do not think it a good thing that the Vatican would sponsor and encourage an event that gives credence to gods other than the Triune God.

15 posted on 10/04/2008 10:24:55 AM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: mlocher
I do not think it a good thing that the Vatican would sponsor and encourage an event that gives credence to gods other than the Triune God.

Where do you see that occurring? FYI, the Church's position on the Muslims is that they claim to worship the God of Abraham. If, in fact, they do, then they worship the same God as us. Do the Jews worship someone other than the Triune God?

16 posted on 10/04/2008 10:33:19 AM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: thefrankbaum
FYI, the Church's position on the Muslims is that they claim to worship the God of Abraham. If, in fact, they do, then they worship the same God as us.

The God of Abraham is the Triune God: God the Creator, Christ (God the Saviour) and the Holy Spirit. One cannot worship God the Creator without worshipping the other two heads of the Triune God. It is an all or nothing thing.

If Muslims in fact worship the same god that I do, then that makes them Christians. From what you have said, I can assume that Muslims believe that Jesus Christ is their Lord and Saviour. Is that really true?

17 posted on 10/04/2008 12:08:04 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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18 posted on 10/04/2008 12:08:44 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: mlocher
The God of Abraham is the Triune God: God the Creator, Christ (God the Saviour) and the Holy Spirit. One cannot worship God the Creator without worshipping the other two heads of the Triune God. It is an all or nothing thing.

If Muslims in fact worship the same god that I do, then that makes them Christians. From what you have said, I can assume that Muslims believe that Jesus Christ is their Lord and Saviour. Is that really true?

You neglected to answer my question about the Jews. We can only worship Him as we know Him. Was David not worshiping the Trinity when he crafted the Psalms? Of course he was - he just didn't know it. Are Jews today who do not become Christians worshiping someone other than God? What of those isolated Amazonians pictured a few months back? If they live their life in accord with Truth as they know it, are they worshiping God? We see through the glass darkly, and are blessed to know as much about Him as we do. However, those who know less than us - isolated tribes, Jews, Muslims, and even men and women in the US - still glorify Him when they seek Truth, for He is Truth.

19 posted on 10/04/2008 12:26:01 PM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: thefrankbaum
You neglected to answer my question about the Jews.

I am not Jewish and do not profess to speak of their faith. However, the statements in my previous post still apply. If one does not acknowledge that Jesus Christ is part of the Triune God, as well as their Lord and Saviour, then one's god that one worships is different than the one that Abraham worshipped.

For whatever reason, God did not reveal his saviour side 3500 years ago. Nonetheless, Abraham and his descendants were saved by their faith. 2000 years ago, God revealed his Triune nature to mankind. Those who do not acknowledge all three heads of God worship somebody else.

Neither did you answer my question. Your silence leads me to believe that you believe Muslims are Christians. Correct?

20 posted on 10/04/2008 12:35:23 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: mlocher
I am not Jewish and do not profess to speak of their faith. However, the statements in my previous post still apply. If one does not acknowledge that Jesus Christ is part of the Triune God, as well as their Lord and Saviour, then one's god that one worships is different than the one that Abraham worshipped.

And I do not profess to speak for the faith of Muslims. I only provided the teaching of the Church.

For whatever reason, God did not reveal his saviour side 3500 years ago. Nonetheless, Abraham and his descendants were saved by their faith. 2000 years ago, God revealed his Triune nature to mankind. Those who do not acknowledge all three heads of God worship somebody else.

They were saved by the Grace of God, through the sacrifice of Christ. So, just to be clear, your contention is that if someone alive today professes to worship the God of Abraham but does not believe in Christ, they are worshiping some other God than the God of Abraham?

Neither did you answer my question. Your silence leads me to believe that you believe Muslims are Christians. Correct?

I said they claim to worship the God of Abraham. If that is true, then we worship the same God.

21 posted on 10/04/2008 12:46:30 PM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: thefrankbaum
I only provided the teaching of the Church.

The teaching of the church is very vague on this topic. By saying that Muslims claim to be worshipping the God of Abraham, and not following it up with any reference to Christ being a part of God, is not doing justice to one's beliefs.

If that is true, then we worship the same God.

If we worship the same God, then Muslims are Christians. I am sure that you would agree with that statement. Do you?

In spite of our discussion, I feel adamant that unless the Catholic Church believes that Muslims are Christians, then they should not allow them to profess the God of Abraham in public. A non-christian cannot evangelize for Christ or spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

22 posted on 10/04/2008 2:17:24 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: mlocher
If we worship the same God, then Muslims are Christians. I am sure that you would agree with that statement. Do you?

I can't say I do, which is why I kept alluding to the Jews. I don't define "Christian" as one who worships the God of Abraham. I define it as one who follows the teachings of Christ. Now, Christians certainly worship the God of Abraham - however, I believe that the Jews worship Him as well, despite the fact they may not know Him as He has revealed himself to the rest of us.

In spite of our discussion, I feel adamant that unless the Catholic Church believes that Muslims are Christians, then they should not allow them to profess the God of Abraham in public. A non-christian cannot evangelize for Christ or spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Again, maybe you are correct; however, that same reasoning would apply to the Jews, and we would have to say the Jews don't worship the God of Abraham, the father of Israel. A tenuous position, in my opinion.

I don't believe the Church should be in the business of judging what is truly in another's heart. The way I see this is told well - much better than I could do - by C.S. Lewis in The Last Battle. The Calormene Soldier who sought Truth and the Good, despite outwardly serving Tash, was in fact serving Aslan, as He is the source of all Good.

23 posted on 10/04/2008 2:36:34 PM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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What a great man the pope is. Bless him!

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24 posted on 10/04/2008 3:24:33 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: thefrankbaum
I don't define "Christian" as one who worships the God of Abraham. I define it as one who follows the teachings of Christ.

I think I defined a Christian earlier. To repeat, a Christian must not simply follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, but must also believe in Christ as his Lord and Saviour and believe Christ to be the Triune God.

I believe that the Jews worship Him as well, despite the fact they may not know Him as He has revealed himself to the rest of us.

Be careful. This is close to what the Arians (not Aryans) believed. This heresy existed in the Church from the third to seventh century and was resoundingly fought by various bishops and emperors.

I don't believe the Church should be in the business of judging what is truly in another's heart.

Ditto for individuals. Nonetheless, individuals must have a clear understanding of what they believe and who they worship. Individuals run the risk of being led astray by false profits whose gospel is not one of Christ.

25 posted on 10/04/2008 3:35:46 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: mlocher
I believe that the Jews worship Him as well, despite the fact they may not know Him as He has revealed himself to the rest of us.

How is that any different than the Muslims? That is where you are losing me.

Be careful. This is close to what the Arians (not Aryans) believed. This heresy existed in the Church from the third to seventh century and was resoundingly fought by various bishops and emperors.

The Arian Heresy denied the trinity. How am I approaching that? The teachings of Christ clearly demonstrate the doctrine of the Trinity. Those who hold that God is not Triune are Jews and Muslims and Mormons and others - I believe there are righteous among them, who will be saved by God despite the fact they do not understand His true nature.

Ditto for individuals. Nonetheless, individuals must have a clear understanding of what they believe and who they worship. Individuals run the risk of being led astray by false profits whose gospel is not one of Christ.

Have I said otherwise?

26 posted on 10/04/2008 7:04:36 PM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: thefrankbaum
How is that any different than the Muslims? That is where you are losing me.

I have been careful not to make any assumptions about the god that the Muslims worship. I know that you have stated that the Catholic Church has said that they worship the God of Abraham. Further, I think that we both agree that the Jews worshiped the God of Abraham.

3500 years ago, the God of Abraham made himself known to mankind as "God the Father." 2000 years ago the God of Abraham manifested himself as the Triune God. Those who have been born in the last 2000 years that worship God the Father (only) deny the Triune God. Anyone that woships only God the Father, denies Christ and in a some sense are not different, even though their individual dogmas may differ sharply.

The Arian Heresy denied the trinity. How am I approaching that? The teachings of Christ clearly demonstrate the doctrine of the Trinity.

Your arguments, while explicit in some areas, were somewhat vague about what you believed of the Triune God. You are correct that the teachings of Christ clearly show the divinity of Christ and his role as our Lord and Saviour. I did not understand your personal belief vis a vis the Trinity until your "confession" in your previous post. Welcome Brother!

Those who hold that God is not Triune are Jews and Muslims and Mormons and others - I believe there are righteous among them, who will be saved by God despite the fact they do not understand His true nature.

My salvation does not depend on what others believe, only in what I believe. While it is my duty to spread the Gospel, I do this on an individual basis. I am neither in agreement or disagreement with your statement.

Have I said otherwise?

Again, and it is hard to know a person through a small handful of posts, your arguments in some cases were specific and sometimes vague. Now that I know you believe in the Triune God and the divinity of Christ, this is a moot point. I now understand that you clearly have not said otherwise.

27 posted on 10/04/2008 7:58:05 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: mlocher
I have been careful not to make any assumptions about the god that the Muslims worship. I know that you have stated that the Catholic Church has said that they worship the God of Abraham. Further, I think that we both agree that the Jews worshiped the God of Abraham.

I do agree with you on the Jews. However, I haven't said "boo" about whom the Muslims worship - I have only said they claim to worship the God of Abraham. It is a fine distinction, but an important one.

3500 years ago, the God of Abraham made himself known to mankind as "God the Father." 2000 years ago the God of Abraham manifested himself as the Triune God. Those who have been born in the last 2000 years that worship God the Father (only) deny the Triune God. Anyone that woships only God the Father, denies Christ and in a some sense are not different, even though their individual dogmas may differ sharply.

You could argue, based solely on the OT, that God has always shown Himself as the Trinity. It was the arrival of Jesus that clubbed us over the head and made it abundantly clear. We all see through a glass, darkly; some of us have been blessed to understand Him better than others. Even those who deny the Trinity may not deny Him - their ignorance may save them. It is an uncertain line.

Your arguments, while explicit in some areas, were somewhat vague about what you believed of the Triune God. You are correct that the teachings of Christ clearly show the divinity of Christ and his role as our Lord and Saviour. I did not understand your personal belief vis a vis the Trinity until your "confession" in your previous post. Welcome Brother!

Grazie!

My salvation does not depend on what others believe, only in what I believe. While it is my duty to spread the Gospel, I do this on an individual basis. I am neither in agreement or disagreement with your statement.

And that is fine. (I don't want to start hashing out salvation with you! I feel we may have different views on that.) However, this whole thread started with the idea of a Muslim publicly reading (not preaching) the Bible. You were concerned about that instance, and I encouraged it, as I believe it is an effective way to evangelize. Having a well-known Muslim participate in this will likely interest other Muslims to tune in and hear. I can only pray that the Holy Spirit then demonstrates the Truth of the Scripture to them.

28 posted on 10/05/2008 7:13:52 AM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: thefrankbaum
Grazie!

Prego!

I have only said they claim to worship the God of Abraham. It is a fine distinction, but an important one.

I agree that it is an important distinction. And you were very careful to say what the Vatican stated.

You could argue, based solely on the OT, that God has always shown Himself as the Trinity. It was the arrival of Jesus that clubbed us over the head and made it abundantly clear.

I will mostly agree with your argument. The Holy Spirit was given to the OT folks through the prophets. It is now ubiquitous.

You were concerned about that instance, and I encouraged it, as I believe it is an effective way to evangelize. Having a well-known Muslim participate in this will likely interest other Muslims to tune in and hear. I can only pray that the Holy Spirit then demonstrates the Truth of the Scripture to them.

I earlier stated that only Christians should evangelize. I have rethought things. History teaches us that God's Will will be done, regardless of who gets in the way. For many years, the Church flourished, in spite of many misguided popes. (Please do not read "many" as "all"). In this particular case, it is the Word of God, not the Muslim, that reaches people.

The Visible Church has made many mistakes in the past. One problem is how it has evangelized throughout the centuries. Too often, Christianity is presented in a Western Culture, making it difficult for others living in different cultures to see what it means to them. Worse yet, some evangelizers have mixed belief in Western Culture with belief in Christianity. Evangelization in Japan, China, India and 1600 North America are but a few examples.

29 posted on 10/05/2008 10:09:13 AM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: mlocher

It seems like we are on the same page. I don’t think I have anything to add. Thank you for a good conversation!


30 posted on 10/05/2008 6:03:06 PM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: thefrankbaum
Thank you for a good conversation!

I greatly enjoyed it too! God bless you!

31 posted on 10/05/2008 6:10:59 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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Here’s the broadcast in case you wanted to receive blessings of the Holy Spirit. It’s in Italian:

http://www.rai.tv/mppopupvideo/0,,Livetv%5EO%5E134239,0.html


32 posted on 10/06/2008 3:24:26 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Lord please bless our nation with John McCain as president and Sarah Palin as Vice President! Amen.)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

Thank you for the link! I’m at home on dial-up right now. Do you know how long this will continue? Perhaps I can catch portions of it tomorrow at work. Io capisco l’Italiano! ;-)


33 posted on 10/06/2008 4:00:58 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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