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To: mlocher
If we worship the same God, then Muslims are Christians. I am sure that you would agree with that statement. Do you?

I can't say I do, which is why I kept alluding to the Jews. I don't define "Christian" as one who worships the God of Abraham. I define it as one who follows the teachings of Christ. Now, Christians certainly worship the God of Abraham - however, I believe that the Jews worship Him as well, despite the fact they may not know Him as He has revealed himself to the rest of us.

In spite of our discussion, I feel adamant that unless the Catholic Church believes that Muslims are Christians, then they should not allow them to profess the God of Abraham in public. A non-christian cannot evangelize for Christ or spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Again, maybe you are correct; however, that same reasoning would apply to the Jews, and we would have to say the Jews don't worship the God of Abraham, the father of Israel. A tenuous position, in my opinion.

I don't believe the Church should be in the business of judging what is truly in another's heart. The way I see this is told well - much better than I could do - by C.S. Lewis in The Last Battle. The Calormene Soldier who sought Truth and the Good, despite outwardly serving Tash, was in fact serving Aslan, as He is the source of all Good.

23 posted on 10/04/2008 2:36:34 PM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: thefrankbaum
I don't define "Christian" as one who worships the God of Abraham. I define it as one who follows the teachings of Christ.

I think I defined a Christian earlier. To repeat, a Christian must not simply follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, but must also believe in Christ as his Lord and Saviour and believe Christ to be the Triune God.

I believe that the Jews worship Him as well, despite the fact they may not know Him as He has revealed himself to the rest of us.

Be careful. This is close to what the Arians (not Aryans) believed. This heresy existed in the Church from the third to seventh century and was resoundingly fought by various bishops and emperors.

I don't believe the Church should be in the business of judging what is truly in another's heart.

Ditto for individuals. Nonetheless, individuals must have a clear understanding of what they believe and who they worship. Individuals run the risk of being led astray by false profits whose gospel is not one of Christ.

25 posted on 10/04/2008 3:35:46 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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