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This is clearly an addendum to the front page white wash piece of the NYT about Ayers and Obama, which is written on the blog of the very left-leaning TNR.

It is probably good that the left wing press feels the need to start circling the wagons, rather than ignoring the Obama/Ayers relationship.

I wonder what's up.

1 posted on 10/04/2008 7:17:44 PM PDT by mathprof
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I’m happy to say that I don’t know anybody who’s been to a small dinner party with people who bombed the Pentagon.


29 posted on 10/04/2008 7:40:31 PM PDT by lonestar
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Hey Stern. Take your cheap threats and stick ‘em.


33 posted on 10/04/2008 7:42:00 PM PDT by Interesting Times (Swiftboating, you say? Check out ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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i’m sure if you invited fidel castro over for dinner,

he’d be personable too.

might even bring some state-purchased wine and flowers

and give the hostess a peck on the cheek.


37 posted on 10/04/2008 7:49:49 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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From David Horowitz's FrontPageMag.com/DiscoverTheNetworks.org: March 6, 1970: "three members of the Weather Underground accidentally killed themselves in a Manhattan townhouse while attempting to build a powerful bomb they had intended to plant at a social dance in Fort Dix, New Jersey -- an event that was to be attended by U.S. Army soldiers. Hundreds of lives could have been lost had the plot been successfully executed."

41 posted on 10/04/2008 7:52:44 PM PDT by ameagle
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... Let's hope that this doesn't happen,and let's hope we've heard the last of William Ayers, Tony Rezko, and Jeremiah Wright.
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Sounds like a less than artful blackmail offer. But when we weigh this for how relevant it is to the present contest, Ayers, et. al ARE relevant indicators of Obama’s choice of friends, whereas McCain laid it all bare when he was nominated, even telling the world that his North Vietnamese captors “broke him”, meaning he gave in to torture and revealed secrets wished he hadn't.

I would think that on a scale of relevance, to a person who was raised in a military family, the latter failure ranked right along with his admitted “failure of his first marriage”.

McCain has inoculated himself from these attacks by telling the truth in advance, while Obama can't even tell the truth slowly. In BHO’s case, what passes for truth today is a lie yet undiscovered.

42 posted on 10/04/2008 7:52:47 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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It has been 40 years since I returned from Viet Nam and ran into the anti-war, Pro Hanoi goons. Then there was the Democratic Convention in Chicago that summer. I have made a point to go to war with the Left ever since. Bill Ayers along with his wife Bernardine Dohrn are true believers and I just can not believe that BroBama doesn’t share every one of their views including Ayer’s view on 9/11. As the Drive By Media defends BroBama I can only assume they do also.

Damn them all to hell.


43 posted on 10/04/2008 8:00:12 PM PDT by RobertG-Arizona (Right Wing Wackos unite!)
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Stern (Obama)’s threat is silly. McCain is old school. If you punch him, he is going to hit you back twice as hard. I say let’s start this little rumble sooner rather than later - I want McCain smokin’(but in control) for the next debate.


45 posted on 10/04/2008 8:06:39 PM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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I wonder what's up.

They[re trying to preempt any coming attacks.

McCain ought to suggest the television media find Ayers and Dohrn and conduct sand-bag interviews. They do it regularly and these two are not hiding in Afghanistan mountains.

(The Times article said both terrorists refused interviews. So it's up to television.)

46 posted on 10/04/2008 8:10:17 PM PDT by aculeus
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Next from Richard Stern: THE RICHARD RAMIREZ I KNOW


48 posted on 10/04/2008 8:13:27 PM PDT by doug from upland (8 million views of HILLARY! UNCENSORED - put some ice on it, witch)
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It is pretty obvious that Ayers and Obama have been “pal”ing around SINCE 1983!

They were in New York at school within a quarter mile of each other for two years at least. They may even have lodged together off campus. They had mutual acquaintances, you think they never met?

Then last week in the Debate, the only specific scheme Obama mentioned that he still wanted to expand despite the crimping cost of the bailout was”Early Childhood Education” (his words)

Now go check out what Ayers’ has TWO degrees in.....Early Childhood Education...


49 posted on 10/04/2008 8:14:35 PM PDT by Wil H (No Accomplishments, No Experience, No Resume, No Records, No References, Nobama..)
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Saul Alinsky says the end justifies the means. Have no doubt, what Stern quoted will come out because Obama is an Alinsky organizer.

I say drop the bomb and expose Obama’s 20 years of Black Liberation Theology and its nutcase inventor James Cone. For 20 years he practised a wacko “religion” invented by a guy that sounds like a munchkin. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1X5sZ6Q4Fw] Obama either actually holds these wacko radical beliefs, or his judgement is so bad that it took him 20 years to realize that Black Liberation Theology is wrong.

Taxpayers will be very uncomfortable with someone with such radical views as the President. Any other 30 years in the past McCain mini-scandal will be dwarfed by Obama’s Black Liberation Theology problem.


51 posted on 10/04/2008 8:19:39 PM PDT by igoramus08
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At dinner, thirty-eight years later, Ayers and Dohrn did not seem to hold the poems against me, and I didn't hold their fiery and criminally violent behavior against them.

That's OK. America will.

Let's revisit the sixties -- and this time, the good guys win.

We may have to build a couple of hundred more Leavenworths, I guess.

Cheers!

52 posted on 10/04/2008 8:24:24 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/open_university/archive/2008/07/23/obama-s-jump-shot-for-the-ages.aspx

The New Republic
23.07.2008

Obama’s Jump Shot for the Ages

Now we know why Barack Obama spent so much time in the gym those last days in Chicago before taking off for Afghanistan. He was practicing jump shots, preparing for the sensational 25 footer he sank in the Kabul gym in front of cheering US troops.

All practitioners prepare. Professionals are defined as much by preparation as practice. Great professionals practice as Obama does, their focus on key moments, striking, often unexpected occasions and opportunities. (”Photo ops” is the vulgar phrase.) The great practitioner takes a longer view than the people around him. The fine, diligent New Yorker piece by Ryan Lizza about Obama making his slow, challenged way to political office in and through Chicago shows him learning the ropes and continually abandoning them for other ropes, other learning, other modes of advancement. The same goes for his negotiating with University of Chicago law deans and professors who wanted to recruit this brilliant, attentive young man, one going so far as to tell him after a political defeat that he had no future in politics but might well have a great career in the academy and then perhaps as a public intellectual, a la Judge Richard Posner. Obama accepted an office, a stipend, and some lecturing on constitutional law, but nurtured his political career, his long view, as he wanted.
(snip)
Richard Williams and the even more eloquent Barack Obama may never express their knowledge of what surrounds or nurtures them as richly or poetically as Lampedusa’s Gattopardo, but I think each understands the obstacles before them with some of the same profundity and originality. This is some of what underlay both this year’s Wimbledon women’s final and the wonderful three-point shot which Barack Obama made before the troops, the American voting public, and history this week in Kabul.

—Richard Stern
(excerpt)


He is an Obama/Ayres mouthpeice.


53 posted on 10/04/2008 8:35:17 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (Stand up, Chuck)
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If Democrats want to deal in an ugly way with McCain, they can talk about the jail sentence served by Cindy McCain's uncle and the suspended sentence her father "served," in connection with illegal activities in their beer distribution business. They can revive the stories of his wildness, his adulterous relationship with Cindy when his first wife (mother of some of his children) was disfigured in an auto accident, his inappropriate senatorial activity on behalf of Charles Keating, and perhaps his not very glorious, pre-prison record in the naval air force. Let's hope that this doesn't happen,and let's hope we've heard the last of William Ayers, Tony Rezko, and Jeremiah Wright.

"But we're so high-minded that we would never even mention any of that dirt..."

As Bill Cosby would say, "Riiiight!
It would be very interesting, indeed, if they took this tack. If they only would, I would predict a landslide...against BO.

In fact, I am SO curious, I am interested in knowing the relationship between Ricky Stern and the unrepentant terrorist, Bill Ayers, and why Ricky thinks that it is a jolly ol' thing to be a domestic terrorist & communist. Tell me all about it.

54 posted on 10/04/2008 8:39:07 PM PDT by Nevermore
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Forgot to add:

"What's up?"

We are on the right track it seems.

55 posted on 10/04/2008 8:40:28 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (Stand up, Chuck)
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"Tony Lezko"

This being from TNR not withstanding, how can I possibly take this writer seriously when he doesn't even know how to spell Tony Rezko's name?

57 posted on 10/04/2008 8:44:35 PM PDT by torchthemummy (Why Is The Educational Establishment Comfortable With Ayers' Unrepentent Radicalism (Terrorism)?)
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Interesting stuff here:

Obama's Real Bill Ayers Problem by Sol Stern (April 23, 2008)

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Milt Rosenburg, WGN Radio, audio clip of show May 5, 2008 on Obama's Ayers connection
Milt talks with Sol Stern of the City Journal, Ed Lasky of the American Thinker, and Herb Walberg of the Hoover Institute, about the attempted radicalization of the education system. Milt and his guests also discuss Bill Ayers, who has been at the forefront of the radicalization effort. (5/5/2008)

59 posted on 10/04/2008 8:50:54 PM PDT by 1-Eagle (Demron, Fanniegate, Never Again!)
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Ah, but they forget that McCain confessed repentence for his actions, and then never repeated them.

Also, you can’t chose your relatives.

Ayers never repented, and Obama never repented. In fact, the extreme MoveOn types were behind Obama’s campaign, including stealing the caucuses from Hillary.

I know Freepers hate Hillary but I was aghast when I reviewed the vote count of the primaries: It was even, and if you removed the caucus votes, Hillary won...

But the organized left hijacked the caucuses, which gave a disproportionat number of votes to Obama...


60 posted on 10/04/2008 8:55:30 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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Words from Comrade William Ayers in 2006
Website of William Ayers ^ | November 2006 | William Ayers

Posted on Saturday, October 04, 2008 11:24:29 PM by Monti Cello

President Hugo Chavez, Vice-President Vicente Rangel, Ministers Moncada and Isturiz, invited guests, comrades. I’m honored and humbled to be here with you this morning. I bring greetings and support from your brothers and sisters throughout Northamerica. Welcome to the World Education Forum! Amamos la revolucion Bolivariana!

This is my fourth visit to Venezuela, each time at the invitation of my comrade and friend Luis Bonilla, a brilliant educator and inspiring fighter for justice. Luis has taught me a great deal about the Bolivarian Revolution and about the profound educational reforms underway here in Venezuela under the leadership of President Chavez. We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution, and I’ve come to appreciate Luis as a major asset in both the Venezuelan and the international struggle—I look forward to seeing how he and all of you continue to overcome the failings of capitalist education as you seek to create something truly new and deeply humane. Thank you, Luis, for everything you’ve done.

I also thank my youngest son, Chesa Boudin, who is interpreting my talk this morning and whose book on the Bolivarian revolution has played an important part in countering the barrage of lies spread by the U.S. State Department and the corrupted Northamerican media.

On my last trip to Caracas I spoke of traveling to a literacy class—Mission Robinson— in the hills above the city along a long and winding road. As we made our way higher and higher, the talk turned to politics as it inevitably does here, and someone noted that the wealthy—here and everywhere, here and in the US surely—have certain received opinions, a kind of absolute judgment about poor and working people, and yet they have never traveled this road, nor any road like it. They have never boarded this bus up into these hills, and not just the oligarchy or the wealthy—this lack of first-hand knowledge, of open investigation, of generous regard is also a condition of the everyday liberals, and even many of the radicals and armchair intellectuals whose formulations sit lifeless and stifling in a crypt of mythology about poor people. Everyone should come and travel these roads into the hills, we agreed then—and not just once, but again and again and again – if they will ever learn anything of the real conditions of life here, surely, but more important than that, if they will ever encounter the wisdom and experience and insight that lives here as well.

We arrived at eight o’clock to a literacy circle already underway being conducted in a small, poorly-lit classroom. And here in an odd and dark space, a sun was shining: ten people had pulled their chairs close together—a young woman maybe 19, a grandmother maybe 65, two men in their 40s—each struggling to read. And I thought of a poem called A Poor Woman Learns to Write by Margaret Atwood about a woman working laboriously to print her name in the dirt. She never thought she could do it, the poet notes, not her– this writing business was for others. But she does it, prints her name, her first word so far, and she looks up and smiles— for she did it right.

The woman in the poem—just like the students in Mission Robinson—is living out a universal dialectic that embodies education at its very best: she wrote her name, she changed herself, and she altered the conditions of her life. As she wrote the word, she changed the world, and another world became—suddenly and surprisingly—possible.

I began teaching when I was 20 years old in a small freedom school affiliated with the Civil Rights Movement in the United States. The year was 1965, and I’d been arrested in a demonstration. Jailed for ten days, I met several activists who were finding ways to link teaching and education with deep and fundamental social change. They were following Dewey and DuBois, King and Helen Keller who wrote: “We can’t have education without revolution. We have tried peace education for 1,900 years and it has failed. Let us try revolution and see what it will do now.”

I walked out of jail and into my first teaching position—and from that day until this I’ve thought of myself as a teacher, but I’ve also understood teaching as a project intimately connected with social justice. After all, the fundamental message of the teacher is this: you can change your life—whoever you are, wherever you’ve been, whatever you’ve done, another world is possible. As students and teachers begin to see themselves as linked to one another, as tied to history and capable of collective action, the fundamental message of teaching shifts slightly, and becomes broader, more generous: we must change ourselves as we come together to change the world. Teaching invites transformations, it urges revolutions small and large. La educacion es revolucion!

I taught at first in something like a Simoncito—called Head Start—and eventually taught at every level in barrios and prisons and insurgent projects across the United States. I learned then that education is never neutral. It always has a value, a position, a politics. Education either reinforces or challenges the existing social order, and school is always a contested space – what should be taught? In what way? Toward what end? By and for whom? At bottom, it involves a struggle over the essential questions: what does it mean to be a human being living in a human society?

Totalitarianism demands obedience and conformity, hierarchy, command and control. Royalty requires allegiance. Capitalism promotes racism and militarism – turning people into consumers, not citizens. Participatory democracy, by contrast, requires free people coming together voluntarily as equals who are capable of both self-realization and, at the same time, full participation in a shared political and economic life.

Education contributes to human liberation to the extent that people reflect on their lives, and, becoming more conscious, insert themselves as subjects in history. To be a good teacher means above all to have faith in the people, to believe in the possibility that people can create and change things. Education is not preparation for life, but rather education is life itself ,an active process in which everyone— students and teachers– participates as co-learners.

Despite being under constant attack from within and from abroad, the Bolivarian revolution has made astonishing strides in a brief period: from the Mission Simoncito to the Mission Robinson to the Mission Ribas to the Mission Sucre, to the Bolivarian schools and the UBV, Venezuelans have shown the world that with full participation, full inclusion, and popular empowerment, the failings of capitalist schooling can be resisted and overcome. Venezuela is a beacon to the world in its accomplishment of eliminating illiteracy in record time, and engaging virtually the entire population in the ongoing project of education.

The great Chilean poet Pablo Neruda wrote a poem to his fellow writers called “The Poet’s Obligation” in which he instructed them in their core responsibility: you must, he said, become aware of your sisters and brothers who are trapped in subjugation and meaninglessness, imprisoned in ignorance and despair. You must move in and out of windows carrying a vision of the vast oceans just beyond the bars of the prison– a message of hope and possibility. Neruda ends with this: it is through me that freedom and the sea will call in answer to the shrouded heart.

Let those of us who are gathered here today read this poem as “The Teacher’s Obligation.” We, too, must move in and out of windows, we, too, must build a project of radical imagination and fundamental change. Venezuela is poised to offer the world a new model of education– a humanizing and revolutionary model whose twin missions are enlightenment and liberation. This World Education Forum provides us a unique opportunity to develop and share the lessons and challenges of this profound educational project that is the Bolivarian Revolution.

Viva Mission Sucre! Viva Presidente Chavez! Viva La Revolucion Bolivariana! Hasta La Victoria Siempre!


62 posted on 10/04/2008 8:57:08 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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...and let's hope we've heard the last of William Ayers, Tony Rezko, and Jeremiah Wright.

Obama's only experience which he can claim as qualification for public office is in association with these characters. If I were him I'd hope we've heard the last of them too. But alas, the public might not be keen on voting for a pig in a poke, and getting communism instead. So, let's keep hearing all about them.

64 posted on 10/04/2008 9:00:07 PM PDT by Skid Marx
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