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FACTBOX-Fannie, Freddie CDS auction timeline
Reuters Business & Finance ^ | October 3, 2008 | Reuters

Posted on 10/05/2008 8:31:18 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry

NEW YORK, Oct 3 (Reuters) - The value of credit default swaps backed by the debt of Fannie Mae (FNM.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) and Freddie Mac (FRE.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) will be set on Monday in a series of auctions, which will be the largest settlement of the contracts the market has ever seen.

Four separate auctions will be used to determine the value of the agencies' debt. The auctions are for Fannie Mae's senior debt, Fannie Mae's subordinated debt, Freddie Mac's senior debt and Freddie Mac's subordinated debt.

Estimations on how much credit protection is outstanding on Fannie and Freddie's $1.6 trillion in debt range from hundreds of billions of dollars to as much as $1.2 trillion.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 110th; bailout; fanniemae; financialcrisis; freddiemac; housingbubble
Some counterparty is very likely to default, imho, but who? Going to be a very interesting week, in the Chinese sense of "interesting."
1 posted on 10/05/2008 8:31:19 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Lehman follows on 10 October and Washington Mutual on 23 October. Lots of agony potential for the month.


2 posted on 10/05/2008 8:53:52 PM PDT by givemELL
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To: RegulatorCountry

Too bad several years ago no one thought to look at the real value of Fannie and Freddie. Oh, I almost forgot - the Republicans did but the Democrats said everything was fine.


3 posted on 10/05/2008 10:11:07 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Be sure to get Schumers ass plastered up there.


4 posted on 10/05/2008 10:12:47 PM PDT by eyedigress ( My first 4 wheeler was on the rocks in Fairbanks)
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To: Wilhelm Tell
Too bad several years ago no one thought to look at the real value of Fannie and Freddie. Oh, I almost forgot - the Republicans did but the Democrats said everything was fine.

I'm not so sure anyone got a look at their books in recent years. A fair amount of stonewalling was going on, as best I can recall.

5 posted on 10/05/2008 10:21:29 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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I'm not sure I understand this ...

What I think is happening is that they are auctioning off the $1.6 Billion of bonds issued by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and somehow that determines what losses the CDS's have to reimburse.

Selling these bonds by itself would be fairly straight forward. In a bankruptcy (technically, I guess this is not a bankruptcy, but some mutation thereof) one sells off the assets for what one can, perhaps at an auction such as this. The bond holders, starting with the senior holders, gain the results of the sale.

So ... where do the Credit Default Swaps (CDS's) come in?

CDS's are essentially insurance policies. Companies have taken out these CDS insurance policies on Fannie and Freddie Bonds. That means they pay a monthly premium to some insuring company, in return for which they get paid if the referenced bond fails.

Apparently (and here I'm going from guess to wild speculation) these CDS's pay out a varying amount, depending on just how bad the referenced Fannie or Freddie bond fails. So, the less money these bonds fetch at this auction, the more it costs the companies that issued these CDS contracts.

I wonder who the primary companies are that issued this CDS paper?

If JPMorgan is at the top of the list, and if the auction of these bonds of Fannie and Freddie goes poorly (the bonds sell cheap) then I'd expect another bank or two to fail, taken down in the middle of the night, as was Bear Stearns, so that JPMorgan can feast on the failed banks carcass, pick off the solid assets, and leave the toxic remains for the tax paying citizens of this great land to consume. That's how JPMorgan seems to be keeping from going under, even though they issued (if I recall correctly) more CDS's than anyone else other than perhaps AIG.

If some other company is the leading provider of CDS insurance of Fannie and Freddie bonds, and if the auction goes poorly, then I'd expect that company to become visible as a rotting corpse in the desert, in the near future, with its insured assets covered by the FDIC (you and me, again ;).

6 posted on 10/05/2008 11:01:36 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow
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Aha -- it is not just I who is confused. Over at the Wall Street Journal, the article Credit-Default Swaps Get Messier explains that the payout amounts of CDS's on failed bonds is a matter of dispute -- the lawyers are fighting over the payout amounts.

That's not surprising, now that I read it.

7 posted on 10/05/2008 11:08:42 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow
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Some more details of how this auction affects the value of the related CDS's is at The Independent: Moment of truth for default derivatives.

It seems to be as I guessed, which just goes to show you that I've spent way too much time this last month surfing financial pages on the web.

8 posted on 10/05/2008 11:15:37 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow
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Head on over to Jesse's Café Américain to read his October 3, 2008 post "Waves of Credit Default Swaps Incoming" for a more readable explanation of this.

Holy Smackers!

He makes an interesting analogy with being just at the front of a big earthquake, using the following graphic:

Seismograph trace of big quake

9 posted on 10/05/2008 11:29:13 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow
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One more post responding to myself ... I found a good explanation of Mortgage Backed Securities and Credit Default Swaps, which I posted on the FR thread: When the bubble burst [Good explanation of CDS's].
10 posted on 10/05/2008 11:51:14 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow
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To: ThePythonicCow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QcpdUtxNQ

How about Obama openly campaigning for his communist cousin Odinga who signed a pact with Muslims to enact Sharia Law if elected and started riots when he lost. Obama campaigned for an openly Anti-American candidate in a foreign country in 2006.

Getting Obama out of our life is just as important, when we finally get Palin in there we’ll have another boom.


11 posted on 10/05/2008 11:58:35 PM PDT by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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