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A move to secede on California-Oregon border
SF Chronicle ^ | Oct. 5, 2008 | Kevin Fagan

Posted on 10/06/2008 8:03:23 AM PDT by AuntB

Siskiyou County -- Some folks around here think the economic sky is falling and state lawmakers in Sacramento and Salem are ignoring their constituents in the hinterlands.

"We have nothing in common with you people down south. Nothing," said Randy Bashaw, manager of the Jefferson State Forest Products ...."The sooner we're done with all you people, the better."

Talking about secession has been a quasi-joking conversational saw since 1941, when five counties in the area started things by actually declaring themselves - briefly - to be the state of Jefferson. But now, with the economy in trouble and unemployment soaring, the idea of greater independence is getting its most serious consideration since World War II.

Locals complain that federal and state regulators have hampered the fishing and timber industries to protect forestlands and endangered species such as sucker fish and the spotted owl. Most water from the rainy Shasta region is shipped south, with little economic benefit to the area. Even the California sales tax draws sneers.

The Grange Hall of Yreka... is activating 51 of its brethren halls in the area to collect 1 million signatures to have a statehood advisory measure put on the California ballot. Tony Intiso, a runoff candidate in the Nov. 4 election for Siskiyou County Board of Supervisors, has pledged to force the issue and is running campaign ads calling for regional freedom.

"It's not rocket science to see why it makes sense, and how we could do it," said Brian Petersen, a landscaper who runs the main online forum advocating statehood, www.jeffersonstate.com. "The capitols of California and Oregon ignore us. We want out.

"All we have to do is get an initiative on the ballot and vote to get things going."

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; oregon; secede; stateofjefferson
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1 posted on 10/06/2008 8:03:23 AM PDT by AuntB
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To: AuntB

Let ‘em do it.


2 posted on 10/06/2008 8:04:45 AM PDT by Ravi
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To: AuntB

I remember when The Florida Keys wanted to dclare The Conch Republic. If they do it again I am sailin down there to join up.


3 posted on 10/06/2008 8:06:12 AM PDT by screaminsunshine
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To: Travis McGee
EFAD #2 ping. Sound familiar? Maybe they're reading the book?
4 posted on 10/06/2008 8:06:31 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: AuntB

I would love to see Western Jersey split from Jersey. We are solidly conservative.


5 posted on 10/06/2008 8:06:35 AM PDT by MattinNJ (Bradley Effect vs. Voter Fraud. Game on.)
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To: Ravi; blackie; redrock; Jeff Head; marsh2; forester; SierraWasp; Issaquahking; Liz; calcowgirl; ...

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6 posted on 10/06/2008 8:06:55 AM PDT by AuntB ( "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: AuntB

This topic comes up in Texas from time to time. More often then not its a frustration reaction to the incompetency in DC.


7 posted on 10/06/2008 8:08:21 AM PDT by Doug TX
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To: MattinNJ
Give Phildelphia to New New Jersey and Western Jersey to Pennsylvania

And why we are at it

How about

8 posted on 10/06/2008 8:10:27 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: AuntB

It will go nowhere, but I can’t blame them from wanting to dump CA and OR. The same movement that Eastern WA and Eastern Or folks have wanted to do unshackle themselves from the commies on Olympia and Salem


9 posted on 10/06/2008 8:10:31 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: AuntB

I keep hoping Orange, San Diego, Riverside, and San Bernardino counties will do the same thing!


10 posted on 10/06/2008 8:10:35 AM PDT by lazypadawan
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To: AuntB

11 posted on 10/06/2008 8:10:43 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: AuntB

I think this is a good idea. California should be broken up.


12 posted on 10/06/2008 8:11:03 AM PDT by Maelstorm (This country was not founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a government check!")
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To: AuntB
...."The sooner we're done with all you people, the better."

Any guesses as to how long it would take for this new 'state' to turn to Washington for financial aid?
13 posted on 10/06/2008 8:11:13 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic ("And how can this be? For I am the Kwisatz Haderach! " - Barack Obama)
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To: AuntB
As some who lives in California the people in Sacramento act as if California is the San Francisco/Oakland Bay area to Sacramento.

The rest of the state is nothing to worry about.
That includes representatives from the rest of the state who act like that..

14 posted on 10/06/2008 8:11:23 AM PDT by svcw (Great selection of gift baskets: http://baskettastic.com/)
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To: Doug TX

This has been a long standing issue. We are the people of sucker fish fame, where the feds shut off the water to farmers, we’ve had it.

Portland dictates to us what to do with our land, our money and our lives. Portlandites are basically morons, just like the morons in Sacramento.


15 posted on 10/06/2008 8:11:53 AM PDT by rlferny
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To: AuntB

Every once in awhile eastern Washington, northern Idaho and western Montana want to secede and join together to create a new state. Sadly, it never goes anywhere beyond the ‘wouldn’t it be nice if we did this’ stage.


16 posted on 10/06/2008 8:13:19 AM PDT by teacherwoes ("It is vain to expect a well-balanced government without a well-balanced society" -Gideon Welles)
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To: AuntB

I would be quite happy if San Diego county could become Western Arizona thank you.


17 posted on 10/06/2008 8:15:42 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: teacherwoes

Well, if DC can become a state (as is possible if Obama is elected), then there is no reason for other regions not to consider altering their current status. . .


18 posted on 10/06/2008 8:17:33 AM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: AuntB; SmithL; NormsRevenge
"We have nothing in common with you people down south. Nothing," said Randy Bashaw, manager of the Jefferson State Forest Products ...."The sooner we're done with all you people, the better."

Oh, come now. I'm sure there'th loth of fabulouthneth up there.

19 posted on 10/06/2008 8:18:23 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
I would be quite happy if San Diego county could become Western Arizona thank you.

George Strait could finally get his ocean-front property in Arizona.

20 posted on 10/06/2008 8:18:37 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: rlferny

You sound like you’re from the area. What kind of work is available in the region (if any)?


21 posted on 10/06/2008 8:19:09 AM PDT by liberty_lvr
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To: AuntB

Very cool. Kali is too big. It takes from all areas to feed the four major cities. It like New York State. All those people to feed New York City. Imagine if NYC had to pay for itself.


22 posted on 10/06/2008 8:19:13 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: reagan_fanatic

“Any guesses as to how long it would take for this new ‘state’ to turn to Washington for financial aid?”

These folks might surprise you. They would, I hope, demand the federal government get the illegal aliens of the Mexican Drug Cartels our of our forests. As it is now, our LEO’s do nothing but try to control the situation without the fed’s help.


23 posted on 10/06/2008 8:20:32 AM PDT by AuntB ( "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: reagan_fanatic

“Any guesses as to how long it would take for this new ‘state’ to turn to Washington for financial aid? “

Say what? It is the rest of the State that is asking for a federal bailout and spends billions in welfare. The northern part of the State is propably financially sound and doing just fine.


24 posted on 10/06/2008 8:21:40 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: martin_fierro
"We have nothing in common with you people down south. Nothing," said Randy Bashaw, manager of the Jefferson State Forest Products ...."The sooner we're done with all you people, the better."

If that were the case, maybe we should let San Francisco, Marin, Alameda and San Mateo counties split off into THEIR own state. They have nothing in common with the rest of the state, as far as I can see.

25 posted on 10/06/2008 8:22:32 AM PDT by ssaftler (Obama in Berlin: Ich Bin Ein Empty Suit)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Nice, thanks.


26 posted on 10/06/2008 8:22:40 AM PDT by AuntB ( "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: qam1

I totally agree that that’s what needs to happen to NY. I always feel so bad for my girlfriend in upstate having to deal with all the idiocy that NYC causes. Maybe they could cut Ithaca out of the ground and float it next to Staten Island. Then it could at least be an island like its namesake. Or sink it. It might make a good Atlantis since we all know they’re so much more advanced and intelligent there.


27 posted on 10/06/2008 8:24:16 AM PDT by According2RecentPollsAirIsGood
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Reminds me of how Northeastern Alabama, Northwestern Georgia and Southeastern Tennessee almost formed the State of Nickajack (crazy name, but Lake Nickajack is there) because of the Civil War.

Then you have the South Florida/Panhandle divide.

I am sure there are a lot places in the country where this kind of thing makes sense.


28 posted on 10/06/2008 8:26:22 AM PDT by Crimson Elephant
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To: MattinNJ
Am I right in assuming you would divide the state along the Keith Line of 1686?


29 posted on 10/06/2008 8:27:08 AM PDT by Oratam
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Is this serious or merely mental masturbation?

We fighting or fantasizing?

If this is real, let’s do it. I’m in.


30 posted on 10/06/2008 8:29:57 AM PDT by CE2949BB (McCain/Palin 08)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

As a former Zonie that would make me proud and happy too.


31 posted on 10/06/2008 8:31:13 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Lord please bless our nation with John McCain as president and Sarah Palin as Vice President! Amen.)
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To: Straight Vermonter

We in the Central Valley want out of the state too. And we have all the food!


32 posted on 10/06/2008 8:32:42 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Lord please bless our nation with John McCain as president and Sarah Palin as Vice President! Amen.)
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To: rlferny

I’d vote for this in a New York second.
Don’t forget Eugene, another slime hole. Our ranch is 17 air miles from the KA border, I wish it was further away.


33 posted on 10/06/2008 8:34:04 AM PDT by OregonRancher (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints)
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To: CE2949BB

These folks are serious.


34 posted on 10/06/2008 8:35:46 AM PDT by AuntB ( "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Nice map. Are the dark red the original proposed State of Jefferson and the pink the new proposal?

I would think the eastern 2/3rds of both Oregon and Washington would want to join as well.

Pass a right to work law and build a port somewhere near where the present Oregon and California borders meet and you would have a lot of international shipping move there as well. They could immediately lower costs by hiring non-union workers who don't average $120K annually to type shipping documents and $85K annually to drive fork lifts. The difference would go a long way toward paying off the building and maintenance of this infrastructure. Then add an extraction tax on any water shipped south.

35 posted on 10/06/2008 8:36:32 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: OregonRancher

“I’d vote for this in a New York second.
Don’t forget Eugene, another slime hole. Our ranch is 17 air miles from the KA border, I wish it was further away.”

Don’t forget, your neighbors just over that border are the good guys!


36 posted on 10/06/2008 8:37:25 AM PDT by AuntB ( "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: MattinNJ

Map it out. Our local state legislators claim they don’t like Philadelphia much either. Maybe we could negotiate a trade.


37 posted on 10/06/2008 8:38:50 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: liberty_lvr

This areas economy is natural resource based. It has been dedcimated in the last couple of decades by the Spotted Owl and then the sucker fish. WE are still holding our own but work is hard to come by. However there is a lot of unskilled labor here so if you have skills or training your chances at work are much better.


38 posted on 10/06/2008 8:43:30 AM PDT by rlferny
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To: AuntB

Politically, it would be MUCH easier to get each state to allocate electoral vote by Congressional district, as Maine and Nebraska do it. We’d lose a few electoral votes in the red states, but we’d pick up a LOT of votes in the red areas of blue states. Channeling anger into something that is politically possible, rather than pie-in-the-sky would be much more productive.


39 posted on 10/06/2008 8:45:38 AM PDT by hunter112 (Gov. Palin is ten times the woman Hillary could've hoped to be, if she had stayed a "Goldwater Girl")
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To: martin_fierro
Oh, come now. I'm sure there'th loth of fabulouthneth up there.

I can't stop laughing, and I am doing my best to look busy. Failing.

40 posted on 10/06/2008 8:46:04 AM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: AuntB; SierraWasp

I still got fight in me. If they’re serious, I can be too. Thinking Governor Hunter would be a possibility? Here in Anchorage, the socialists have taken over...


41 posted on 10/06/2008 8:47:09 AM PDT by Issaquahking (Maverick Barracuda voter!)
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To: AuntB

If they do it, maybe I can get my husband to move out of the Bay Area to up there.

Go for it!!!!


42 posted on 10/06/2008 8:49:23 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: qam1

Nice catch on Ithaca, but aren’t the red and blue regions reversed, according to current current usage?


43 posted on 10/06/2008 8:50:31 AM PDT by flowerplough ("If only America could be China for a day," -NYT's Thomas Friedman, in 'Hot, Flat, and Crowded')
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To: teacherwoes

Why would Montana want to split in two? Is there anything to gain there?


44 posted on 10/06/2008 8:53:26 AM PDT by Styria
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To: AuntB

I like it!!

Molon Labe!!


45 posted on 10/06/2008 9:03:58 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Issaquahking

I’m counting on you being here, Rocky!


46 posted on 10/06/2008 9:26:20 AM PDT by AuntB ( "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: Vigilanteman
Are the dark red the original proposed State of Jefferson and the pink the new proposal?

I should have included the caption:

Darker areas show the State of Jefferson, as proposed by Gilbert Gable in 1941. Modern versions of the movement usually include the lighter areas as well.

Wikipedia

47 posted on 10/06/2008 9:43:51 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: AuntB

The Chronicle likes to stir the pot every so often. It enables them to paint us as bitter folk clinging to our guns and bibles so that no one feels guilty about regulating us to death.

The movement was a serious one back in pre-WWII. Then Stan Statham had an advisory vote taken on the prospect of state division back in the 1990s. It was determined then that, as this area is so poor, it receives far more tax benefit than it pays out. The area has very little industry and very little tax base. In actuality, we would end up being one of the most impoverished states in the union. Also, we have several bastions of wealthy leftist, socialist, eco-weird philosophy (Ashland, Arcata, and Mt. Shasta) within the boundaries. They would likely be elevated in standing due to their wealth and make life a living hell for the rest of us.

This is when the State of Jefferson became a state of mind - conservative frontier mindset - individual rights protected from the majority, the protection of the integrity of property rights limited government, local control, natural resource based economy and traditional values.


48 posted on 10/06/2008 9:47:09 AM PDT by marsh2
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To: marsh2

I’ve been thinking about places like Ashland. They would make this impossible. Besides, Marsh, we’re already one of the poorest regions of the country, might as well be free.


49 posted on 10/06/2008 9:53:37 AM PDT by AuntB ( "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: ssaftler

“If that were the case, maybe we should let San Francisco, Marin, Alameda and San Mateo counties split off into THEIR own state. They have nothing in common with the rest of the state, as far as I can see.”

Don’t forget Contra Costa as well.Might as well include Santa Clara down to Monterey, too. It’s all one metro-lump area.

The best plan some years ago split CA into 5 states, one was the area in the Jefferson concept, another was the Bay Area plus some surrounding area, Central Valley and Central Coast, LA area, and then San Diego/Inland Empire and Desert region. That gets the major economic and politically-similar areas together. It would also be fairly even in keeping Senate representation equal. 2 Dem areas (LA and SF Bay) 2 GOP areas (Orange Co./SD/Inland Empire, and the Central Valley) and one Swing (”Jefferson” because it contains the inland side, GOP and the Eureka hippies,Dem)I don’t know how the House side would work out, though.

Thing is, each area would be WAY more manageable in terms of administration.


50 posted on 10/06/2008 9:56:15 AM PDT by Mr Inviso
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