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I’d rather stay out of this, other than to say that although I’ve only read some of the comments (since I’ve been pinged repeatedly), it seems like donna is trying to make a macroeconomic statement about organization of societies in terms of oppression and so forth—as I said I’ve barely taken time to read much on this thread—while jacquej and who knows who else are coming at the topic from a personal experience angle. If I’ve failed to capture the spirit of this thread, please eject me into the dark pit of my previous angst/euphoria trying to help defeat the bona-fide communist that seeks the Oval Office(!).

For myself, I believe in Patriarchy and traditional gender roles within a context of marginal social liberty for women to adopt non-traditional roles if they so choose; if as an individual any given woman sees that she for whatever reason isn’t suited for the traditional role of homemaker, and genuinely knows in her bones that she and society are better off with her competing with men for prominence in public life, industry, science, academia, what have you—so be it. But as an overall attitude for all women, I believe feminism is HIGHLY detrimental for everyone.

I see “feminism” as being interpreted in mutually antagonistic and clashing ways on this thread. Feminism is indeed a controversial and confounding topic. My own take is that “feminism” can be as benevolent as a social reformation against long-standing abuses of/by the Patriarchy, and/or as evil as a vendetta against males by power-mad female communists who’d just as soon chime in with Weather-woman Bernadine Dorhn’s exultant praise of the Manson Family’s rampage at the Tate/LaBianca ranch. Google Dorhn’s exact quote on that, if you dare. I remind the reader that Sharon Tate was pregnant at the time of her truly heinous and grisly murder. Very fitting that Hussein Obama followed Dohrn around since 1981; that “No Fetus Left Alive” program of his is obviously their “brainchild.”

“Helter Skelter” is the penultimate expression of anti-capitalist feminism; the long-haired, draft-dodging drugged-out hippie males abandoning their proper warrior roles in the struggle against communism in Southeast Asia, and instead perverting their remnant masculinity through brainwashed females in a completely twisted revolution taken to a nightmarish and bizarre, bloody extreme.

Marx and other founders of communism sought to replace the family with the state. BAD idea; even worse is that it has been fully realized to disastrous results elsewhere, and is steadily progressing here in America, even though the Manson Family was supposedly dissolved long ago.

But I COULD still be mad at my mother for reasons that I’ll not go into, even though she’s invited me to vent my spleen here. I’d just rather not.