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Pleas for help come too late as half-ton man dies in Mexico
CNN ^ | October 7, 2008 | CNN Story Monkey

Posted on 10/08/2008 6:11:41 AM PDT by South Hawthorne

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To: GoSarah
Yes, I read that article before. It is very discouraging.

By the way, I was normally thin ( BMI 21 to 23) until I was in thirties, and then gradually gained weight. It wasn't until I was forty that I was diagnosed as having hypothyroidism ( very common in middle aged women). Of course the thyroid is under control but ever since then hunger and fat has been a daily fight.

Unfortunately, you are correct. The best defense against obesity is never to become fat. I don't know why doctors don't do thyroid testing routinely on all patients. It's not an expensive test.

51 posted on 10/08/2008 8:08:35 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: GoSarah

Now, lets compare that to a say, a big mac,-44g carbs, medium fry-16g carbs, a small coke, 39 g carbs =99g carbs. That’s 35g too much, and will drive your blood sugar up. You pancreas will produce more insulin, which works to reduce blood sugar to a normal level, storing the rest as fat.

s it up further, requiring insulin to get it back down.


52 posted on 10/08/2008 8:14:28 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

Thank you, Nathan.

Perhaps adjusting my diet somewhat will help with this daily, constant, painful hunger.

By the way, I eat 6 meals a day. It seems to help more than eating only 3 times a day. I once tried dividing the 1,200 calories into hourly portions but that was worse than eating 6 times a day.


53 posted on 10/08/2008 8:14:52 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: Nathan Zachary

oops,- “ for a type one diabetic, sugar levels are cumulative, requiring insulin to get it back down


54 posted on 10/08/2008 8:16:25 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

Wow, good for you!

Maybe the processed American food diet has an effect on all these hunger hormones? Plus, if you are cynical enough, it’s not impossible to rationalize that it would be in a food producer’s advantage to keep up hunger levels.


55 posted on 10/08/2008 8:18:30 AM PDT by GoSarah
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To: wintertime
Hey, didn't mean to discourage you -- keep up the good work. I've read another study that the body will readjust after a period of time, but don't remember where it is.

I don't know why doctors don't do thyroid testing routinely on all patients. It's not an expensive test.

Excellent idea!
56 posted on 10/08/2008 8:21:38 AM PDT by GoSarah
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To: Owl_Eagle

Too...stupid...to...live.


57 posted on 10/08/2008 8:25:49 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: wintertime
If you are fairly active, women should eat between 55-60 carbs per meal (x3). Eating 6 is ok, just divide 180 by 6. Or you can eat three meals/day and have a small snack between. What you want to avoid is low blood sugar levels, that will trigger the liver into producing sugar, which puts on fat around the belly.

If you have a glucose meter it will help you figure out your carbs to lifetyle easier. generally you want to keep your blood sugar between 4.0-7.0 before meals, and between 5.0-10.0 two hours after meals. But 55-60g carbs per meal is about average. Just eat balanced meals, count the carbs. If you are eying up that ice cream, cut carbs somewhere else. (just don't make a habit of eating only ice cream, LoL! )

58 posted on 10/08/2008 8:27:28 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: GoSarah
Sure it does. It digests very fast, and has a lot of fats and sugars.

But eating only salads won't do you much good either. No carbs! That will make your liver produce the blood sugars you need instead, which always makes too much--- blah blah blah. Just try get your carbs from healthier sources, starchy foods like rice, potatoes, whole wheat breads, cereals, legumes, etc. without adding fats to it.

59 posted on 10/08/2008 8:36:18 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

Very interesting. FWIW, I had an ED for over a decade and had to go through a lot of therapy to learn how to eat properly. All ED types struggle with obsession on food and eat very junky diets, even anorexics.

After going through a lot of therapy to stop thinking about food, I eat when I’m hungry, and my body pretty much asks for lean proteins and complex carbs, few diet foods and few junk foods. No salads as a meal but no M&Ms either. Good to know you confirm this observation.

My therapist was a true bulimic though. She would steal food and binge on it constantly. For her, the only thing that worked was going on the Grey sheet diet (which is NO carbs). Different folks, different strokes.


60 posted on 10/08/2008 8:44:56 AM PDT by GoSarah
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To: wintertime

You can always chew on “free” foods, basically all the vegetables you want, just don’t forget to add some carbs to keep your blood sugar levels normal. That should keep your hunger at bay.


61 posted on 10/08/2008 8:49:44 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: GoSarah
I'm completely opposite. I have no appetite at all. I have to force myself to eat 3 meals a day. One meal a day, and not a very big one was the norm for me for years. I went from 175 to 260 that way.
Mind you, that was after an accident which left me immobile for a long time. When I was active I ate normally, but those days are long gone. I walk now, but only barely. Exercise is breathing, LoL.
62 posted on 10/08/2008 8:59:41 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: GoSarah

I tried the salad for a meal thing for a while. I just got fatter faster, Exhausted all the time. Now I know it was because my blood sugar was so low. Explains why I slept alot.


63 posted on 10/08/2008 9:06:13 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

yup...

the way you’re “supposed” to eat is to have protein with salad, very little else... but that has never worked for me either. Hi-sugar makes you feel crappy, but so does low-carb.

When I started adding mashed potatoes with my protein & vegetable (made with chicken broth and fat free sour cream), it improved my outlook greatly. Totally contradictory but there you go.


64 posted on 10/08/2008 9:11:37 AM PDT by GoSarah
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To: GoSarah
The thing that really woke me up so to speak, was that after a nights sleep, I'd wake up and my blood sugar would be through the roof. But instead of realizing what was happening, my Doc thought at first that my pancreas was failing again,(had some trouble with that before) that I turned into a type one diabetic.

So he put me on pills to make it work even harder, meanwhile it was already working overtime trying to get rid of all the sugar my liver was making.
So finally he just sent me to a dietitian who figured out what was going on.
65 posted on 10/08/2008 9:17:24 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: GoSarah

Protien and salad is ok, except for one thing- NO carbs! Add 60g of good carbs to that,say some rice or a baked potato, with a little desert, and you have a good healthy meal.


66 posted on 10/08/2008 9:21:47 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

Chew on vegetables?

I do that. It doesn’t help.

Please remember that people who are normally thin don’t think about or do any of the “tricks” that us formally fatties must do. Their metabolism and hunger drive are in normal balance. Mine never will be. It will be a constant and daily fight with hunger until I die.

If there is food in heaven, I am turning around and going to hell. Hell couldn’t be worse.


67 posted on 10/08/2008 9:50:34 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: Owl_Eagle

the first two are southern, with PA mentioned to throw off the xfactor.


68 posted on 10/08/2008 10:16:26 AM PDT by WVKayaker ( "Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome..." I. Asimov)
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To: synbad600

“Yea, but who’s cleaning this guy? Certainly he’s not going to the john. I don’t even want to think about . . . I mean, I know what happens to me if I eat too much salad. I can’t imagine what happens to someone who consumes ungodly amounts of fat and calories per day. Yuck. Who could do that?”

It must have been very difficult. Imagine the bathing difficulty, too.


69 posted on 10/08/2008 10:20:04 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: WVKayaker
the first two are southern, with PA mentioned to throw off the xfactor.

So if I'd put PA first or second, then I wouldn't be a bigot, but because I put it third, I am.

MMmmmmkay.

Owl_Eagle

There are people who are surrounded by bigots
and know it is wrong, but are afraid to be vocal against it.
These people are going to pull the lever for Obama
and they are not being polled.
angee_is_mad, DUmmy

70 posted on 10/08/2008 10:44:00 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Nathan Zachary
I've never seen a more factually wrong post on FR, even from DU trolls.

If you want to learn about what happens on a low-carb diet, I suggest this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Ketogenic-Diet-Complete-Dieter-Practitioner/dp/0967145600

It's fully referenced from start to finish.

You might even want to read this first: You are not different

71 posted on 10/08/2008 11:17:58 AM PDT by gura (R-MO)
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To: Owl_Eagle

But, but...I thought everyone in Mexico was starving!


72 posted on 10/08/2008 11:23:00 AM PDT by AuntB ( "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: AuntB
But, but...I thought everyone in Mexico was starving!

They were! This jerk ate all the food!

Now that he's gone to the feed trough in the sky, they can all head back.

Owl_Eagle

There are people who are surrounded by bigots
and know it is wrong, but are afraid to be vocal against it.
These people are going to pull the lever for Obama
and they are not being polled.
angee_is_mad, DUmmy

73 posted on 10/08/2008 11:25:55 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Nathan Zachary

I agree with low carb approach, most especially for those with a metabolic problem, or prediabetic condition; good for diabetics, too.

I just wasn’t quite clear on a couple of things you said about liver/pancreatic function. Not important, you’ve got the right idea with low carbs.


74 posted on 10/08/2008 11:27:00 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Nathan Zachary

I’ve had a liver transplant.
Top that...

There is NO EXCUSE for ANYBODY to be that fat.
It takes work.
It takes disipline.
I was on a diet for 23 yrs prior to My transplant, with no problems sticking to it.
Change Your mindset-You can change Your life.
The foods I couldn’t have(due to a low copper diet from a Wilson’s Disease diagnosis) I didn’t worry that I couldn’t have them.
I ate what I could have and enjoyed it.

I tricked Myself into not wanting these foods , because they could potentially kill Me.
Once You lay it out like that ....a diet becomes easier to stick to.

However. with the new liver, which was correctly set up by the other person that had it’s DNA...I no longer have Wilson’s Disease.
So no more diet.

I still eat with sensibility.....without restriction.

I know a little bit about diet and what it takes to eat right.

I guess that is what I’m trying to say.
There is no reason why anybody shouldn’t be able to use some sense and logic when they sit down to a table to eat.


75 posted on 10/08/2008 6:21:37 PM PDT by rewrite
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