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SELECTING A GUN FOR HOME DEFENSE
learn about guns dot com ^ | 10-2008 | Author is not DfU

Posted on 10/10/2008 12:41:21 PM PDT by doug from upland

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To: VeniVidiVici
"Fit, fit, fit! The best weapon isn’t one that you’ve heard a lot about but one that fits like a glove. If it feels awkward in your grip, it’ll be awkward to shoot."

Precisely why I chose the HK P7M8; the P7M13 feels like a chunk of 2X4 in my hand...

121 posted on 10/10/2008 3:28:15 PM PDT by TXnMA (To anger a conservative: lie about him. To anger a liberal: tell the truth...)
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To: N. Theknow

I hope your a cop or have a class 3, to post those pics.


122 posted on 10/10/2008 3:31:45 PM PDT by MCF
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

I wouldn’t fire that for $50. Maybe for a hundred, tho a broken wrist might cost more than that.


123 posted on 10/10/2008 3:36:24 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Claud

Claud, oh, we’ve really hashed over the ideas, some zany and some not so zany. One of the things that we’ve agreed on is the stealth that archers develop for getting up close to game. Keep in mind that they use the same techniques during the “gun hunt” so it’s a win-win. Archers have really gotten into camoflage big time, that and camoflage patterns are fantastic these days.

My son is in the Army, has been for 10 years (Infantry) and is a hunter, both gun and archery but in the camo world sometimes we both wonder what in the h*** the military (especiall the Army and Marine Infantry Divisions) had in mind developing the new camo patterns. He said in Iraq, he watched his soldiers (he was Squad leader) move through the streets and wondered how the h*** those camo patters were supposed to help!!

Anyway, archers have developed good techniques and patience, sitting still, observing and shooting under pressure. Pretty interesting, in America we have an amazing variety of self-sufficient groups, they’re not “survivalist crazies” either.

For example, I’ve always said that should we sink into some kind of terrible internal (or external) war on our soil and there was a great need for truck/transport drivers/operators, just call on the retirees that drive motorhomes, built-in transport jockies, age doesn’t matter!! I mean those old retirees can handle those things in the middle of Houston during rush hour, no sweat.

Best,


124 posted on 10/10/2008 3:42:23 PM PDT by brushcop (We remember SSG Harrison Brown, PVT Andrew Simmons B CO 2/69 3ID KIA Iraq OIF IV)
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To: doug from upland
Hey Doug!

My current preferred HD weapon is a S&W 6 inch barreled 357. I load my own ammo with semi-wadcutters installed BACKWARDS. I have tested this load on a pig carcass. It is devastating but rarely goes through unless hit in a non critical area. The damage is akin to old lead ball damage and is devastating to bones etc. Cheaper than "safe" ammo and does not have the issues associated with them.

125 posted on 10/10/2008 3:43:16 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: doug from upland
McCain will win easily and Obama knows it. But you'll still need that home protection:

The Obama/ACORN/Gallup/MSM Kenyan 2-Step Campaign Strategy

Here's how this works. Obama knows he's going to lose. So he gets ACORN to drum up millions of fraudulent Dem voter registrations. It doesn't matter that these fake registrations will never be used to vote, the idea is to inflate the number of Democrat voter registrations. This has been going on for over a year now.

Next, the pollsters say, Wow, look at all these new Dem registrations. We better re-weight our polling samples to compensate. Some polls do this innocently and you can see their internals. Other polls are in on the game and won't show you their internals. The re-weighted polls then naturally show Obama ahead, and the ones showing the biggest lead are the ones that keep their internals secret.

Carville, Mathews, Oberman, and the rest of the MSM then start saying that if Obama loses the election while the polls show him winning, there's gonna be riots.

Meanwhile, Obama plants fake agitators at McCain rallys to shout violent, anti-Obama soundbites. The media then dutifully reports that McCain supporters are calling for violence against Obama.

Obama decries the violent nature of McCain supporters and gets his followers worked up, ready for a fight. Obama loses the election as he expects... Shazam! Obama supporters riot the day after the election.

Will there be as much murder and mayhem here as there was in Kenya after Odinga lost the election? Will Obama be able to wrest control of the U.S. government through this strategy like his cousin Odinga did in Kenya? Remains to be seen.

126 posted on 10/10/2008 3:43:20 PM PDT by EarlyBird (Don't listen to the socialist propaganda: McCain will win easily.)
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To: bayliving
The glass needs washing and a good sanitizing.
127 posted on 10/10/2008 3:44:00 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: yarddog
...a broken wrist might cost more than that.

Toughen up those wrists!

You didn't see the second fold down handle???

128 posted on 10/10/2008 3:51:30 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: sarasota
That is a very common problem. Last CCW class I was at there were two ladies that could not do it either. After some consideration I came up with two solutions that worked for them.

One modified her grip so her palm was on one side and four fingers on the other with her thumb pointing back. Also we got her to push with her trigger arm not just try to pull with the other - to be clear use BOTH arms to cycle the slide.

The second lady found that old hook the rear sight on the belt and push down worked well for her. I learned that technique from a Top at the John F. Kennedy School for Wayward Boys. He had been hit in the gun arm in Nam and improvised a way to cock his 45 - he felt it saved his life.

129 posted on 10/10/2008 3:52:11 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Ooooo, cool!


130 posted on 10/10/2008 3:53:07 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (My freq'n head hertz...)
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To: bradthebuilder
Too bad there are so few farmers around anymore....
131 posted on 10/10/2008 3:55:14 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: LoneStarGI

Go with the 40.


132 posted on 10/10/2008 3:56:00 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

I didn’t notice, thought it was a flashlight but didn’t really look at it. That would help but still just too short for any practical use.


133 posted on 10/10/2008 4:03:54 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: mad_as_he$$

All right! I just tried the first scenario and presto! Thanks so much.


134 posted on 10/10/2008 4:13:33 PM PDT by sarasota
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To: yarddog
That would help but still just too short for any practical use.

Practical vs. tactical... I have strong hands...


135 posted on 10/10/2008 4:29:20 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
I am way past my prime plus I have arthritis in my hands, wrists and shoulders.

When I was young I could hold my own with just about anyone. I was big, fast and strong. Despite that, I never liked recoil. I would put up with it if necessary to shoot guns I liked but would never choose a gun with ridiculous recoil.

136 posted on 10/10/2008 4:44:43 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: sarasota

Glad it worked!! Pass it on.


137 posted on 10/10/2008 4:48:05 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

This is an older, inherited 870. Used to be a Nevada Highway Patrol cruiser gun. I inherited it from my mother-in-law like ten years ago, and it’s been at the ex-wife’s house for the last eight years. Figured it would be best to get it in to the smith and have him take a look at it. Firing pin was broken, so the pin and springs are being replaced, and the magazine spring is being replaced.


138 posted on 10/10/2008 5:27:04 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob (They're illegal aliens, not immigrants - there is a difference!)
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To: TXnMA
"Fit, fit, fit! The best weapon isn’t one that you’ve heard a lot about but one that fits like a glove."

For me, in rifles, that's an 1898 Lee-Enfield RIC carbine. In shotguns, it's a Winchester Model 1200 w/ 22" slug barrel. In handguns, it's a 5" Smith Model 27. But if you're looking at your first firearm, once again, I would recommend taking a look at a Ruger 10/22 Magnum (something I'm looking for, for myself, right now ;>)...

139 posted on 10/10/2008 6:07:20 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("Sometimes I have to break the law in order to meet my management objectives." - Bill Calkins, BLM)
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To: yarddog
I am way past my prime plus I have arthritis in my hands, wrists and shoulders.

Here in .22 LR


140 posted on 10/10/2008 6:15:43 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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