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Help fact check FactCheck: "[McCain's] false and misleading attacks on [Ayers/Obama]"
Factcheck.org/Newsweek ^ | 10/10/08 | Viveca Novak and Brooks Jackson

Posted on 10/11/2008 3:32:10 PM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com

In a TV ad, McCain says Obama "lied" about his association with William Ayers, a former bomb-setting, anti-war radical from the 1960s and '70s. We find McCain's claim to be groundless. New details have recently come to light, but nothing Obama said previously has been shown to be false.

In a Web ad and in repeated attacks from the stump, McCain describes the two as associates, and Palin claims they "pal around" together. But so far as is known, their relationship was never very close. An Obama spokesman says they last saw each other in a chance encounter on the street more than a year ago.

McCain says in an Internet ad that the two "ran a radical 'education' foundation" in Chicago. But the supposedly "radical" group was supported by a Republican governor and included on its board prominent local civic leaders, including one former Nixon administration official who has given $1,500 to McCain's campaign this year. Education Week says the group's work "reflected mainstream thinking" among school reformers. The group was the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, started by a $49 million grant from the Annenberg Foundation, which was established by the publisher Walter Annenberg, a prominent Republican whose widow, Leonore, is a contributor to the McCain campaign...

(Excerpt) Read more at newsweek.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ayers; factcheck; mccain; obama; obamatruthsquad
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If anyone wants to do a public service, help fact check this article. I strongly suspect they aren't being forthright, but simply saying that isn't good enough: we need to point out what they're getting wrong.

So, for instance, FC says 'there's still no evidence of a deep or strong "friendship"' between Obama and Ayers. But, do any of the McCain ads say they were "deep or strong" friends? Apparently the BHO campaign admits they were friends, and so does Daley: http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=M2NmN2Q3NjRiMjgxZmUyZTk2NmJiOGJhMDIyNDRiNGE=

The article they mention is only available to subscribers: edweek.org/ew/articles/2008/10/09/08annenberg.h28.html Is Edweek telling the truth?

Does anyone have examples of Ayers' radicalism spilling over into the CAC? For an example of that radicalism, see this: http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NjRkOWUzMTVjMTU5YjIxYmQyMjY3YjU0NWJkY2QxZjY=

1 posted on 10/11/2008 3:32:11 PM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

factcheck.org, a public service from a donation from the annenberg foundation.

that’s enough for me to vote for “fact checking” the factcheck.org


2 posted on 10/11/2008 3:35:58 PM PDT by machogirl (i)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

factcheck owned by the Annenbergs... rings a bell?


3 posted on 10/11/2008 3:36:46 PM PDT by SolidWood
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

Newsweek is more in the tank for Obama than NYT. Their mag is nothing but a campaign brochure. Even if given the facts, they will not print them. My opinion, of course.


4 posted on 10/11/2008 3:37:41 PM PDT by downtownconservative (Intelligence sans reason is vainglorious pulp)
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To: downtownconservative

factcheck.org serves one purpose: protect The Chosen One.


5 posted on 10/11/2008 3:40:10 PM PDT by TommyDale (I) (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: downtownconservative

factcheck.org serves one purpose: protect The Chosen One.


6 posted on 10/11/2008 3:40:17 PM PDT by TommyDale (I) (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
Well,
Obama (yes axelrod speaks for obama) went from “their kids went to the same school”. ( Ayers kids are adults)

to: “I thought he was rehabilitated.”.

Which means he knew Ayers was a bum and associated with him yesterday.

Wait til the smoking gun is found tying them together @ Columbia in the early 80’s.

Hope it aint too late

7 posted on 10/11/2008 3:40:44 PM PDT by stylin19a ( Real Men don't declare unplayable lies)
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But the supposedly "radical" group was supported by a Republican governor

Would this "Republican Governor" be the convicted George Ryan, now serving time in a Federal prison?

8 posted on 10/11/2008 3:41:21 PM PDT by uptoolate (Shhh. If you listen real hard, God is speaking to America.)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

That’s funny... I’ve never had a “chance encounter” with a terrorist.

Nor have I ever sat on any boards with a terrorist. Never worked for a terrorist.

Never exchanged emails with a terrorist.

Never phoned a terrorist.

Never penned a testimonial for a terrorist’s book.

And nope. Never sat down for coffee with a terrorist either, at his house.

But I may be a bumpkin.


9 posted on 10/11/2008 3:45:20 PM PDT by nhwingut (,)
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“The Annenberg Political Fact Check is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. The APPC was established by publisher and philanthropist Walter Annenberg in 1994 to create a community of scholars within the University of Pennsylvania that would address public policy issues at the local, state and federal levels.”

http://www.factcheck.org/about/

End of story.


10 posted on 10/11/2008 3:52:28 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

I can’t recall the name (but I will try to find it) but FactCheck is owned by someone who is a strong supporter of Hussein Obama. These people are into it with Hussein. We need to get it around just like the Media, FactCheck too is for Hussein. We need to discredit factCheck.


11 posted on 10/11/2008 3:52:43 PM PDT by Dem4Mac
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To: uptoolate

“Would this “Republican Governor” be the convicted George Ryan, now serving time in a Federal prison? “
I would like to know much more about this as a friend brought up the Republicans working on this project to me today. I’d love to have a snappy retort!


12 posted on 10/11/2008 3:53:08 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

oh yeah rock and roll......keep it up it is working.....make this. Libs. Squeal like pigs.


13 posted on 10/11/2008 3:54:55 PM PDT by Fred (The Democrat Party is the Nadir of Nihilism)
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To: machogirl
Yep, it seems a little incestuous.
14 posted on 10/11/2008 3:55:47 PM PDT by Tarpon (Barrack Obama will ban all the guns he has the votes for ...)
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"We find McCain's claim to be groundless." They would find an accusation that Al Qaida destroyed the World Trade Center to be groundless, if it would help their candidate.


15 posted on 10/11/2008 3:57:56 PM PDT by Winged Hussar (http://moveonpleasemoveon.blogspot.com/)
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http://www.factcheck.org/

Part of the annenburg foundation, Obama and Ayers little money supplier. Can’t trust them either now.


16 posted on 10/11/2008 4:02:46 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (The FReeper Foxhole. America's history, America's soul.)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

Can we please drop Ayers and go with Odinga?

The church’s Obama’s buddy Odinga burned contained WOMEN and CHILDREN and it all happened DURING the current election cycle!

The Ayers bombings occurred long enough ago that Liberals and some independents will have no problem rationalizing them into insignificance.


17 posted on 10/11/2008 4:03:25 PM PDT by o2bfree
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

“their relationship was never very close.”

Myth Number One.


18 posted on 10/11/2008 4:19:40 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Does Obama know ANYONE who likes America, capitalism, or white people?)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

I wonder how long some people in the media think they can get away with distorting and lying? How many leftist buddies does Obama have to have before they report it?


19 posted on 10/11/2008 4:21:14 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Does Obama know ANYONE who likes America, capitalism, or white people?)
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... but nothing Obama said previously has been shown to be false...which of the things he said previously? - that Ayers was just a guy in the neighborhood? - that he probably wouldn't know Ayers if he saw him today? - that he thought Ayers had been rehabilitated? - when Obama says so many things that are logically inconsistent with each other, it's sophistry to try to say he isn't a liar because the individual "facts" haven't been disproven - it's perfectly reasonable on the other hand to say the mainstream press are liars because of the half truths, straw man arguments, and deliberate misrepresentations they regularly print as "news".......
20 posted on 10/11/2008 5:56:42 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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