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To: RogerFGay
I don't see any end to the argument, so I was just hoping we could mutually understand one another and agree to disagree.

Only so long as you do not continue to point out the wrongs and the need to change them while continuing to ignore the track record of one candidate who you still cheerlead for here. That is hypocrisy pure and simple.

As a factual matter, I haven't seen evidence to support what you're saying.

Are you saying you didn't even bother to read my entire post yesterday to you on usenet? Why do I even bother? I HAVE proof. The investigator FOUND real legal documents from Judge Suddock in Family Court that are proof.

I pointed out yesterday that you, like almost everyone else never ask to see the proof. I have links. I've said this to you before. Do you want them? If so, I'll email them to you BUT if you're not going to read them then say so because I don't want to waste my time.

It wasn't even her divorce and her sister and brother-in-law ended up with joint custody. It's certainly far from clear to say the least.

Far from clear now? Give me a break. Read Branchflower's report. HE quotes the judge in the divorce case. That it wasn't her divorce or HER husband makes this all the more serious IMO. Just think what she'd do if it was her husband.

So, what's the value of focusing on that question at the expense of focusing on real issues in a concrete way?

Just because the campaign and the Republican Party say there's nothing there folks, move along doesn't mean it is true. It IS a real issue but only so far as men's and father's and family issues go. You cannot divorce what she did from these issues and she HAS been found guilty of doing that. I'm sorry that is inconvenient for you just now, but if you really want to see changes made in the current family issue arena you must take a stand on this issue. You cannot have it both ways here or you lose credibility.

Sarah Palin has also been accused of forcing rape victims

I don't know whether to call the above a Red Herring or a Straw Man. I think it is both. I NEVER mentioned Palin and rape on this thread or in any conversation anywhere with you. We are not discussing rape or rape victims here, we are discussing men and father's issues here. Why are you trying to change the subject?

223 posted on 10/14/2008 2:33:29 PM PDT by An American In Dairyland (BTW, I am a woman :)
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To: An American In Dairyland; RogerFGay
I read the report on the Troopergate issue. Okay, I didn't read the entire thing, but I did read the transcript of the family court and the findings section (43 pages, I believe?).

I understand the governor's desire to protect her sister from an ex husband who by all accounts is not someone most of us want to be related to. And also, by most accounts, he is not fit to wear the badge of a law enforcement officer. However, he seems to be protected by a powerful union.

I believe that the governor overstepped her bounds. I don't think she did anything illegal, but the problem is that her office allowed her access that other citizens don't have. She apparently used this access to try and resolve an issue that did not directly involve her office in an official capacity.

I also don't think this disqualifies her the vice presidency. Once again, it is the choice of voting for the best available. McCain does not inspire more than a small percentage of the electorate. Palin probably does not deserve the level of fervor she has inspired. But she appears to be a better candidate on the issues and conservative ideology than any of the other three on the top tickets.

I don't think Palin’s bad decision making related to the trooper issue makes her an unfit choice. Roger should be free to support her, even if she has a history of actions that are directly contradictory to Roger's beliefs on the topic he values the most. In the end she has more pluses than minuses. An Obama presidency would be far worse for families than a McCain presidency.

To quote Ronald Reagen “Going over the cliff, flags flying, is still going over the cliff.”

226 posted on 10/14/2008 5:20:59 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (All gray areas are fabrications.)
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