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Texas Bishops Face Protests from Pro-Abortion Catholics
Catholic Online ^ | 10/17/08 | Deal W. Hudson

Posted on 10/16/2008 7:21:41 PM PDT by tcg

When is the last time a bishop's statement on abortion resulted in several days of protest from pro-abortion Catholics? The joint statement issued last Friday by Bishop Kevin Vann of Fort Worth and Bishop Kevin Farrell of Dallas has done just that. No doubt the forceful clarity of the bishops' message elicited the outcry.

The protests began on Sunday when the statement was read from the pulpit by Rev. Tony Ruiz, pastor of Holy Trinity Catholic Church in downtown Dallas. Some two-dozen parishioners walked out and went to the local media to lodge their complaints about "political endorsements." The next day, the Dallas Morning News carried the story on the front page of its Metro section. "The silver lining was that the article contained a link to the bishops' statement," said Karen Garnett, executive director of the Catholic Pro-Life Committee, Respect Life Ministry of the Diocese of Dallas.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: catholicbishops; dissent; obama; proabortion
The protests began on Sunday when the Bishops statement was read from the pulpit by Rev. Tony Ruiz, Pastor of Holy Trinity Catholic Church in downtown Dallas.
1 posted on 10/16/2008 7:21:42 PM PDT by tcg
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To: tcg

As a practicing Catholic, I believe that it is time for some discipline to be meted out, such as excommunication.


2 posted on 10/16/2008 7:23:41 PM PDT by Parmy
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To: Parmy; monkapotamus; NYer; wagglebee; All

Trust me they not going that far they want their donations not dry out

They could do that most bishops they don’t want kick a***


3 posted on 10/16/2008 7:24:50 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: tcg
I think the Pope should dis-communicate these bishops. If I worshiped in any of the churches led by these bishops, I'd be looking for a new church.
4 posted on 10/16/2008 7:24:58 PM PDT by antiunion person (If you're patriotic, don't vote the Obama/Biden ticket.)
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To: tcg
No one can call themselves a Catholic when they disobey the Church's teaching on abortion.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

5 posted on 10/16/2008 7:25:41 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: tcg

Roman Catholic dogma is pretty crystal clear in regards to abortion.

Any Catholic who disagrees with the dogma is more than free to go, I’m sure they can find any number of liberal churches that are copasetic with abortion.

Why would these liberals stay when they just don’t disagree with the dogma, but are actually offended by it?


6 posted on 10/16/2008 7:36:38 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: I_Like_Spam

Dogma?


7 posted on 10/16/2008 7:38:38 PM PDT by Texas4ever (!WHO IS OBAMA?)
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To: Parmy
As a practicing Catholic, I believe that it is time for some discipline to be meted out, such as excommunication.

If you want to be technical about it, they excommunicate themselves and it's up to them and their conscience to resolve the issue.

For formal excommunication, there needs be a formal crime or charge, such as schism. There was a formal writ of excommunication in the archdiocesan paper here last week and that jumped out at me. In that specific case, the charge was schism (and rightly so, IMO). I don't know that this is enough of a crime other than misrepresentation which is more of a pastoral issue than willful, obstinate ignoring a bishop's rightful request regarding canon law.

That being said, maybe it's time for those of us who follow the teachings of the church to protest the protest and publicly let the world know that the dissenters do not speak for us.

8 posted on 10/16/2008 7:39:40 PM PDT by Desdemona (Lipstick only until the election. The gloss has been sacrificed for the greater good.)
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To: tcg

Pro Abortion Catholic? Never


9 posted on 10/16/2008 7:40:00 PM PDT by Texas4ever (!WHO IS OBAMA?)
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To: tcg

Pro Abortion Catholic? Never


10 posted on 10/16/2008 7:40:00 PM PDT by Texas4ever (!WHO IS OBAMA?)
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To: Texas4ever
Dogma?

Mine just got run over by a karma. ;)

- Traveler

11 posted on 10/16/2008 7:54:35 PM PDT by Traveler59 (Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: Texas4ever

Absolutely, the Catholic Church is solidly against abortion, contrary to the ideas of Mrs. Pelosi that it is a matter which hasn’t been settled decisively by the RCC.


12 posted on 10/16/2008 7:56:10 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: antiunion person

The bishops weren’t protesting, the pro-abortion ‘Catholics’ were.


13 posted on 10/16/2008 7:58:59 PM PDT by secret garden (Dubiety reigns here)
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To: tcg

Pro Abortion Catholic is an Oxymoron!


14 posted on 10/16/2008 8:07:08 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: Parmy

Ditto and Amen.


15 posted on 10/16/2008 8:10:19 PM PDT by PackerBoy (Just my opinion ....)
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To: tcg

Excommunicate them on the spot. Watch the demons freak out at being rebuked.

And please, before anyone tells me that by their views they have already excommunicated themselves, give it a rest. The church can officially declare a person excommunicated, and THAT is what I am saying must start being done. No kidding they are out of communion with God. The church leaders can officially declare them out. THAT must start being done. This is the only way these people will see there are real consequences to their immoral views.


16 posted on 10/16/2008 8:23:40 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: tcg

Excommunicate the protesting trash, reserved to the Holy See.


17 posted on 10/16/2008 8:26:39 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: tcg

Excommunicate them.


18 posted on 10/16/2008 8:42:36 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: tcg
Texas Bishops on Voting as 'Faithful Citizens'

19 posted on 10/16/2008 9:36:23 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Parmy
Guess you haven't see this -- even though it addresses Pelosi, it also addresses the entire pack of CINOs.

Updated: American Bishops who have spoken against Pelosi

Here is the complete list of American bishops who have responded to Nancy Pelosi's comments so far:
  1. Archbishop Charles Chaput of Denver was the first American bishop to respond
  2. ... Bishop James Conley, his auxiliary, joined him
  3. Archbishop Donald Wuerl of Washington DC responded twice, first in a press release and second in a statement to The Hill. He has also appeared on Fox News, I am told.
  4. Cardinal Justin Regali of Philadelphia, chairman of the Committee on Pro-Life Activities, issued this statement through the USCCB website...
  5. ... Bishop William Lori of Bridgeport, chairman of the Committee on Doctrine, joined him
  6. Cardinal Edward Egan of New York publised a strongly worded statement of his own
  7. Bishop Samuel Aquila of Fargo issued a letter correcting Pelosi's claims
  8. Bishop David Zubik of Pittsburgh and...
  9. ... Bishop Michael Sheridan of Colorado Springs have chimed-in
  10. Archbishop Jose Gomez of San Antonio, CNA reports has added his voice ...
  11. ... Bishop Oscar Cantu, his auxiliary bishop, has joined him
  12. Bishop William Murphy of Rockville has published an extensive letter
  13. Bishop Edward Slattery of Tulsa has a detailed response
  14. Bishop Kevin Farrell of Dallas has joined the USCCB's efforts
  15. Bishop Gregory Aymond of Austin is on-board
  16. Cardinal Sean O'Malley of Boston mentions the USCCB on his blog
  17. Bishop Thomas Wenski of Orlando has written at length
  18. Archbishop John Nienstedt of Saint Paul/Minneapolis challenges Pelosi's statement
  19. Cardinal Francis George of Chicago, President of the US Bishops, has weighed-in
  20. Bishop Robert Vasa of Baker, OR publishes in the Catholic Sentinel
  21. Bishop Jerome Listecki of La Crosse, WI responds in a word document
  22. Bishop Richard Lennon of Cleveland, OH will comment in his September 5th column (PDF)
  23. Bishop Ralph Nickless of Sioux City, IA has one of the very best responses I've read
  24. Archbishop George Niederauer of San Francisco has invited Pelosi to a "conversation"
  25. Bishop Nicholas DiMarzio of Brooklyn: "Judging the Candidates"

{Last updated on September 10th.}

Notes:

  • Previous #23 has been removed. Bishop Joseph Gossman of Raleigh, NC is actually the bishop emeritus, and the new bishop, Michael Burbidge has not, to my knowledge, made a personal statement.
  • Previous #16 has also been removed, it was an erroneous duplication of current #13.
  • #26 was added September 10th, although he published his column September 6th

20 posted on 10/16/2008 9:37:41 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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