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Obama Couldn't Be Cleared
The American Spectator ^ | 10.17.08 | George H. Wittman

Posted on 10/17/2008 5:37:59 AM PDT by vietvet67

The lowest-ranking enlisted persons in the Armed Forces of the United States who are expected to handle sensitive matters in the scores of jobs involving classified equipment or written material must be investigated before obtaining their security clearance. Could Barack Obama gain such a clearance?

To begin, the clearance applicant would have to complete a detailed personal history form that includes, if necessary, government access to all health and education files. This is the starting point of all security investigations. Top Secret clearance involves a field investigation rather than the Secret version that is usually limited to a "name check" that is a basic police and public information file review. For the TS clearance an investigator will visit the home neighborhoods and work place sites of the applicant in search of supportive and/or derogatory references.

If the clearance is extended further into the handling of information of such importance that it requires a compartmented distribution, the field and document investigation is pursued with considerable vigor over a lengthy period of time. Nuclear and other sensitive technical or political matters fall into this category.

In all cases, whether on the lower level or up to the most sensitive intelligence, the background of the applicant's personal and business involvement forms the nucleus of the initial phase of the investigation. The people with whom the applicant associates lead the investigator to personal connections and matters relative to the individual's character, beliefs and past acts appropriate to matters of security.

Eligibility for clearance at all levels is directly influenced by the people with whom one associates. Yes, who your friends are and have been does count -- a great deal. This is true, of course, in many types of police investigations where suspicion is adequate reason for further inquiry.

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: background; clearance; nationalsecurity; obama; secret; security; topsecret

1 posted on 10/17/2008 5:37:59 AM PDT by vietvet67
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To: vietvet67

Related...

http://exposingtheleft.blogspot.com/2008/10/barack-obama-couldnt-pass-routine.html


2 posted on 10/17/2008 5:38:55 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: vietvet67

Obviously. I know of someone who was interviewed because someone they know needed a clearance. The investigator interviewed everyone in this person’s past. The process took months.


3 posted on 10/17/2008 5:44:59 AM PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (My new favorite quote "You can't organize clutter.")
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To: vietvet67
This is a joke, right? Does the writer really believe that security rules would be followed in granting The One the highest level security? The Dem congress would immediately pass a law exempting The One from any such scrutiny.

IN my most cynical moments I wish that Obama and a 60 Dem senator congress win. The things they'd do would drive most of the country wild with anger. Think Dumpsterunderground and Daily psyKOSis are bad? As the new Dem government imposes "The Fairness Doctrine," we'd see an explosion of other technologies that would keep conservatives in touch and furious. 2010 and the Dem congress would be just a bad memory.

4 posted on 10/17/2008 5:46:27 AM PDT by pabianice (Inexplicable and infuriating.)
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To: vietvet67

When I was going through the drill to get my clearance in the 70’s for the army, I had a “glitch” that slowed things up. It seems that when I was in high school, one of my “associates” was arrested for protesting the war in a rally at Cal State Fullerton in 1970. They wanted to know the extent of our friendship. (I think we went surfing a couple of times during high school, but I never launched a campaign out of his house nor was i on a political board with him)But that fact that i knew him almost disqualified me. The FBI acted like this was the end of the world for me. Imagine the field day they would have with Obama. No birth certificate, voter fraud, terrorist friend, friends with criminals, etc.


5 posted on 10/17/2008 5:46:29 AM PDT by realcleanguy ("I have not yet begun to fight")
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To: vietvet67

My first 2 jobs required Top Secret clearances with DoD. It took 6 months and a pile of paperwork. I can imagine that DoD, the FBI, CIA, and other alphabet bureaucrats are as scared as hell what will happen to their jobs when Zero gets into office.

Zero will turn this country upside down. My guess is he won’t last past the first 100 days.


6 posted on 10/17/2008 5:48:24 AM PDT by DownInFlames (C)
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To: vietvet67

he’ll need that birth certificate


7 posted on 10/17/2008 5:49:29 AM PDT by RDTF (BO smells and eventually people do what's necessary to avoid it)
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To: vietvet67

When they were reviewing my records for my clearance, they left no stone unturned. The investigators questioned everyone, and I do mean everyone, they pulled my High School Science Teacher and Mentor out of the middle of class, they questioned the 85 year old lady who was my neighbor, my friends and their friends.

Getting a TS is no joke, if I had a friend who...I don’t know killed someone or was a terrorist, I’d be lucky if they let me clean the latrines, much less anything sensitive.


8 posted on 10/17/2008 5:51:11 AM PDT by PVT4evr (OIF 07-08 3ID)
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To: vietvet67

IIRC, there are questions on the application for security clearance that ask specifically, if one has ever been involved with subversive groups against the United States. I’m not sure that Obama could say that he hasn’t.


9 posted on 10/17/2008 5:55:59 AM PDT by Lou L
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To: PVT4evr

My TS was held up for 8 months.
My step brother had gone to the USSR on a class trip(Russian language) and my father has some business dealings with the China. When MI and the FBI came to talk to my Dad he’d thought I been killed when he saw the Gov. car pull up in the driveway and Army officers got out.


11 posted on 10/17/2008 6:02:17 AM PDT by elder5 (Reelect ROSSI '08)
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To: vietvet67

Read this post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2097121/posts?page=10#10


12 posted on 10/17/2008 6:03:37 AM PDT by George Smiley (Palin is the real deal.)
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To: vietvet67

Actually BHO would not pass the security requirements to be a member and play in the Marine Corps Band because it plays at the White House.


13 posted on 10/17/2008 6:04:55 AM PDT by Freeper (Remote Space is not that Remote. If you could drive your car straight up - it's only an hour away.)
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To: DownInFlames

My first 2 jobs required Top Secret clearances with DoD. It took 6 months and a pile of paperwork.

With Iraq and the ‘stan going on, takes a good bit longer than that now to get cleared, my friend.


14 posted on 10/17/2008 6:05:05 AM PDT by George Smiley (Palin is the real deal.)
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To: vietvet67
Election to the office of President by the People of the United States is the highest form of clearance there is.

The people who vet applicants and give out security clearances are not superior to the People, and they work for and at the pleasure of the President.

This line of reasoning is ridiculous.

15 posted on 10/17/2008 6:07:54 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When He rolls up His sleeves, He ain't just puttin' on the Ritz)
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To: vietvet67

That right there should disqualify him from being POTUS.


16 posted on 10/17/2008 6:08:00 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220 (Thanks to the robber barons in D.C. and on Wall St. I've been forced to become a minimalist.)
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To: pabianice
The Dem congress would immediately pass a law exempting The One from any such scrutiny.

No they wouldn't.

Any "law" which purports to restrict or impair the President's Article II powers is facially unconstitutional.

No exemption is necessary. The Office of President IS an exemption, by definition.

17 posted on 10/17/2008 6:10:02 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When He rolls up His sleeves, He ain't just puttin' on the Ritz)
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To: vietvet67

Let’s not forget Obama’s trip to Pakistan when he was in college, and the two Pakistani’s he lived with for two years during that time..... add to that his relationship with that Communist in Hawaii.....

And his admitted cocaine use.... we’re not even talking about all of the shady characters he worked with when he was a community organizer....

Obama would clearly fail any background check for security clearance.....

By the way.... Lt. Col. Allen West brought this up a few days ago, and Michael Steele mentioned it on Hannity and Colmes the other night:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2100606/posts


18 posted on 10/17/2008 6:32:44 AM PDT by Fox_Mulder77
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch

I was interviewed regarding a friends daughter who was going to USAF Flight School. They asked character questions, finances, did I know her friends, etc.


19 posted on 10/17/2008 6:33:02 AM PDT by Lobbyist (I want my American dream!!!!)
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch

Yep. I was interviewed for a security check for a friend of my son. The friend was applying to be a USMC Embassy Guard. The interview was not contentious but they certainly asked in a variety of formats, whether there was anything in his past that would cause me to question his allegiance and integrity.


20 posted on 10/17/2008 6:34:42 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: RDTF; All
“he’ll need that birth certificate”

Yep, even a non-photoshopped “record” of birth won't hack it!

A Record of Birth is NOT the same thing as a Birth Certificate. EG: my son has a Record of American Birth Abroad issued by the State Department, because we were overseas on government orders, but his Birth Certificate is German!
I believe a civilian American citizen can record the the overseas birth of her child and thereby get citizenship status for the child. However, the Birth Certificate will always be from wherever the child was born. Although a citizen, the child would not be a natural-born citizen, because the parents’ reason for being abroad was personal.

I suspect that's what is going on with Obama.
If the One is elected;
Regardless of previous court decisions about what constitutes “natural born”; I fully expect that a court will rule that birth by an American citizen anywhere will be the new standard.
That, in itself, would be proper. However, changing the rules just so that an ineligible person becomes eligible is CRIMINAL. But Democrats like to change the rules after the game has started (ie Florida 2000)!

21 posted on 10/17/2008 6:36:20 AM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: DownInFlames

It’s gotten worse. My TS/SCI took over 2 years, and there weren’t any glitches. Nice for BO that he’ll just skip all that pesky background investigation, since he would be the chief executive.

Colonel, USAFR


22 posted on 10/17/2008 6:37:47 AM PDT by jagusafr ("Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!" - Robert Heinlein)
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To: jagusafr
I enlisted in the Army in 1958. As a recent refugee from behind the Iron Curtain, I couldn't get the lowest “confidential” clearance. Stationed in Germany patrolling
the East-West border required at least the confidential
level of clearance, so there was little opportunity for advancement. After 5 years I quit the Army and upon my
return to stateside, finally became a citizen.
23 posted on 10/17/2008 7:01:47 AM PDT by kkalman
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To: Sig Sauer P220
It does disqualify him. Still, the RNC, the President, Congress, the DNC, the DoD, MEDIA, many others, remain surprisingly silent on this issue.

I have been for months now that he couldn't pass a low level clearance. That NO ONE is bring this up is just breathtakingly irresponsible.

24 posted on 10/17/2008 7:11:57 AM PDT by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: gidget7
It does disqualify him. Still, the RNC, the President, Congress, the DNC, the DoD, MEDIA, many others, remain surprisingly silent on this issue.
I have been for months now that he couldn't pass a low level clearance. That NO ONE is bring this up is just breathtakingly irresponsible.

Legally it doesn't matter that the Arab-American Barak Hussein Obama does not meet security parameters.

Elected officials do not need to meet security clearance protocols.

There election is the Will of the People

25 posted on 10/17/2008 7:14:18 AM PDT by Chickensoup ('08 VOTING for the SUPREME COURT that will be BEST for my FAMILY and voting for SARAH PALIN!!!)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY

A friend of mine sent this to me:

Barack Obama is not even legally a black American. He only has one black great-great-grandmother on his father’s side while the other 7 were Arab.
That makes him 50% white, 43.75% Arab, and 6.25% black. 12.5% is the minimum required to legally claim any racial status in America.
Obama would qualify as the first Arab-American president, NOT the first black president.


26 posted on 10/17/2008 7:24:39 AM PDT by RDTF (BO smells and eventually people do what's necessary to avoid it)
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To: RDTF
Tell you friend that his nitpicking over racial purity makes him seem like a Nazi. Who friggin’ cares?

As to his evidence, I say hogwash. Have you seen a picture of his father? Nobody with vision in both eyes can say that he's not a very BLACK AFRICAN!!!

27 posted on 10/17/2008 8:07:23 AM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY

last time I ping you!


28 posted on 10/17/2008 8:18:19 AM PDT by RDTF (BO smells and eventually people do what's necessary to avoid it)
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To: RDTF
Why did you take offense? My comments weren't directed at you! All I was pointing out is : who cares about his race or the technicalities of his genetic makeup?

That's sort of like “straining at nats, while swallowing a camel!”

His Marxism and demonstrated disdain of American values are the real issues!

29 posted on 10/17/2008 8:35:12 AM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: kkalman

Thank you for your service and for your contribution to the melting pot.

Colonel, USAFR


30 posted on 10/17/2008 9:33:32 AM PDT by jagusafr ("Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!" - Robert Heinlein)
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To: jagusafr

And thank you for your service as well, I am sure you served more than 5 years.


31 posted on 10/17/2008 11:59:06 AM PDT by kkalman
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To: vietvet67

Obama would not be cleared to play little league without a valid raised seal birth certificate.


32 posted on 10/17/2008 12:03:28 PM PDT by mom.mom
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To: kkalman

Currently in year 23 combined active and reserve, and privileged every day I get to serve. Thanks.

Colonel, USAFR


33 posted on 10/17/2008 12:19:26 PM PDT by jagusafr ("Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!" - Robert Heinlein)
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To: RDTF
Barack Obama is not even legally a black American. He only has one black great-great-grandmother on his father’s side while the other 7 were Arab. That makes him 50% white, 43.75% Arab, and 6.25% black. 12.5% is the minimum required to legally claim any racial status in America. Obama would qualify as the first Arab-American president, NOT the first black president.

I believe that if you check you will find that "as a race" Arab's are considered "White" - - - if everyone finds this understanding of mine to be factual - - - - then BHO is the latest in a line of "white" (male at that) presidents of the United States.

Open for corrections of fact - not receptive to stupid flames of ignorance.

34 posted on 10/17/2008 1:24:06 PM PDT by Freeper (Remote Space is not that Remote. If you could drive your car straight up - it's only an hour away.)
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To: Freeper

I think you are right


35 posted on 10/19/2008 12:07:39 PM PDT by RDTF (BO smells and eventually people do what's necessary to avoid it)
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