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OPEC left to its own devices-Commentary: Hedge fund redemptions lay bare the role in oil speculation
MarketWatch ^
| Oct. 17, 2008
| MarketWatch
Posted on 10/17/2008 12:25:47 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
he following First Take is real-time analysis and opinion by the MarketWatch commentary team.
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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: energy; energyprices; opec
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The extreme pain caused by this sudden revenue loss can be gauged by OPEC's decision to move up their next meeting from November to October,.......
To: gusopol3; NormsRevenge; thackney; BOBTHENAILER; Fred Nerks; BIGLOOK; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; ...
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Paulson said that hedge funds wouldn’t be getting any bailout money “now.”
He’s just setting us up to bail out another group of wealthy folks who risked their money and lost.
What a great country this is.
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posted on
10/17/2008 12:29:13 PM PDT
by
Boiling Pots
(Wright, Ayers, Alinsky, ACORN and Odinga - Attack!!)
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
“Gone is the fear that we are in the pockets of folks that don’t like us very much. “
As if there is something wrong with such a concern? The audacity of these people, the most important thing to them is that we have a touchy feelings for dictators? The stupidity is also amazing,,, of course if we drill for our own oil, it can only lower the prices and make us independent at the same time,,, as if they think there is something wrong with this?
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posted on
10/17/2008 12:30:46 PM PDT
by
seastay
To: All
More on Hedge Funds:
Forced hedge fund selling crushes some stocks
Hedge favorites Anheuser-Busch, Freeport-McMoran, CSX knocked off kilter
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But hedge fund investors have been asking for their money back in recent weeks. That's forced some managers to unwind positions to raise cash for redemptions at the end of this year. See story on redemptions.
Investors redeemed about $43 billion from hedge funds in September and more withdrawals are expected through the rest of 2008, TrimTabs Investment Research, which tracks flows of investor money, said on Thursday.
A Goldman Sachs index of 50 stocks that are most heavily owned by hedge funds slumped 19% in September, while the Standard & Poor's 500 index dropped 9%. Another Goldman index, which monitors stocks that don't have many hedge fund investors, fell just 2% last month.
"Forced selling to cover redemptions and delevering by hedge funds has put downward pressure on selected stocks," David Kostin and his colleagues at Goldman wrote in a note to clients earlier this month.
"We expect hedge fund selling/deleveraging to continue," they added, while telling investors to bet against stocks heavily held by hedge funds and to buy stocks with the fewest hedge funds as shareholders.
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Why all the pants wetting when crude drops to 70$? Weren’t the “oil producing nations” doing well at 40$ a barrel a few years ago? I wonder why they would be hurting at prices nearly double what crude was selling at for a long time?
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posted on
10/17/2008 12:32:47 PM PDT
by
Horusra
(Conservative > Republican)
To: seastay
I got that right away as well. That sentiment is not “gone” nor should it ever be. This guy is obviously voting for Obama.
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posted on
10/17/2008 12:35:02 PM PDT
by
sarasota
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
It’s going to be an interesting meeting.
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
It's no coincidence that oil prices plunged in tandem with these record withdrawals, exposing for all to see just how much of the summer's oil-price spike was driven by speculators. Along with that whole gas and crude inventories vs. demand thingy.
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posted on
10/17/2008 12:46:22 PM PDT
by
Hazwaste
(Feeling bitter and clingy since 1963!)
To: Horusra
Why all the pants wetting when crude drops to 70$? Werent the oil producing nations doing well at 40$ a barrel a few years ago? I wonder why they would be hurting at prices nearly double what crude was selling at for a long time? I'm guessing that people made spending plans on the assumption that oil would stay high. Now, all of a sudden, their budgets need revision, downward. People they made commitments to will not be happy.
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posted on
10/17/2008 12:47:48 PM PDT
by
PapaBear3625
("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
To: PapaBear3625
Does this sound off? The money was in real estate, then it was in oil speculation - where is it now, and where is it going?
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posted on
10/17/2008 12:53:57 PM PDT
by
patton
(cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
To: Horusra
Countries like Russia and Iran need to make a certain amount per barrel to break even. It’s more like $90.
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posted on
10/17/2008 12:54:22 PM PDT
by
wolfcreek
(I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
To: wolfcreek
What value to the larger economy does rampant speculation in commodities provide? Isn’t this just another part of the economic system that is broken, part of the conversion from true investment to casino-on-Wall-Strett operations.
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Oil producing nations shouldn’t want oil to be over $40/b. Saudi Arabia had a rule to try to keep it below $30/b, until it started shooting up last year.
To: PapaBear3625
Thank you for the reply. That makes sense.
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posted on
10/17/2008 1:05:34 PM PDT
by
Horusra
(Conservative > Republican)
To: wolfcreek
Is that because of production costs, transportation costs or grade of oil? Were they not making money at 40$ or is this new production? I want to understand more about this type of stuff. Thanks in advance and thanks for the response.
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posted on
10/17/2008 1:07:34 PM PDT
by
Horusra
(Conservative > Republican)
To: Horusra
I would imagine that with inflation, jihad costs are skyrocketing.
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posted on
10/17/2008 1:09:04 PM PDT
by
Califreak
(As seen on TV: S.A.R.A.H!-Sane Americans Are Against Hussein-Obama!)
To: Horusra
I’m not really sure why. I just heard about this *must have price* a week ago.
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posted on
10/17/2008 1:24:12 PM PDT
by
wolfcreek
(I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
To: Jack Black
I agree. It’s damn sure not something to model your business after.
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posted on
10/17/2008 1:27:33 PM PDT
by
wolfcreek
(I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
To: nickcarraway
It was over $60 a barrel almost 3 years ago. It didn’t shoot up just last year.
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posted on
10/17/2008 2:09:07 PM PDT
by
rb22982
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