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To: roamer_1

Sorry, there are no “fundamentalists” in any successful politics, just as there were not when this nation was founded.

You can stand on the sidelines and hang onto your fundamentalism, like the Libertarians have, and have little or no affect on actual political outcomes.

Or, you can build alliances with whomever you can most of the time even though you may not always agree with those allies all the time.

You will always be more successful; you will always be more often “in the house” and working with others instead of standing outside and complaining because no one in the house is as pure as you.

Just getting in the house gives your point of view a better chance.

There are many of us Conservatives who will remain Conservative and remain in the GOP fighting for Conservative causes.

Should you help elect an avowed Marxist this year, don’t expect any alliances with the majority of Conservatives, who will still be in the GOP after you help them lose.


52 posted on 10/18/2008 8:44:24 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli; roamer_1
Or, you can build alliances with whomever you can most of the time even though you may not always agree with those allies all the time.

The problem with the Republicans is that the alliances they form are almost always lop-sided and in favor of the Democrats and other Big Government freaks.

This election is no longer about compromise but rather about a wholesale sellout of conservative principles. And, I for one, am unwilling to allow myself to be sold down the river by the treacherous bastards in the GOP.

54 posted on 10/18/2008 9:29:43 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: Wuli
Sorry, there are no “fundamentalists” in any successful politics, just as there were not when this nation was founded.

ROFLMAO!! The founders are the very definition of fundamentalists! It is the squishy middle that is of no consequence- never have been, never will be- they are vapid, and self serving; without conviction, they follow whim.

You can stand on the sidelines and hang onto your fundamentalism, like the Libertarians have, and have little or no affect on actual political outcomes. Or, you can build alliances with whomever you can most of the time even though you may not always agree with those allies all the time.

You may not have noticed, but libertarians vote with Conservatives. They are not considered different from Conservatives, they have a place at the table here. And libertarians effect political outcomes all the time. Have you heard of Ross Perot? How about Ron Paul?

That Libertarians grow so strong and rebellious is indicative of the illness within your party.

You will always be more successful; you will always be more often “in the house” and working with others instead of standing outside and complaining because no one in the house is as pure as you.

That you see me in terms of purity instead of terms of conviction belie your claims of Conservatism. This isn't religion. That you would further serve your purpose and accuse me of complaining merely accentuate the point.

Should you help elect an avowed Marxist this year, don’t expect any alliances with the majority of Conservatives, who will still be in the GOP after you help them lose.

Yes, we were told the same thing in '06, yet here we are again. Alignment with your ... kind... is of little value, as it will not advance Conservatism at all; in fact, it has served to do it immeasurable damage. It is the compromise of the so called "compassionate conservatives" which has lead us here. It is neither compassionate, nor is it Conservative. You may keep it.

If the Republicans lose (which I think they will), once again the fault will be laid at the Conservatives' door, even though this whole election, up until just before Saddleback, when the RNC and the McCain't campaign finally understood they were going to lose, was one big Giuliani Gambit.

The RNC (and the RINOs) got what they wanted, a campaign up the middle- the Conservatives no longer necessary, because the votes are in the center anyway... So now, when Conservatives (I mean the REAL ones) aren't showing up, it is somehow going to be our fault once again. You made your bed. Now go lie in it.

I am no longer interested in the GOP, finding it to be hopelessly compromised, and unworthy of it's charge. It will be my endeavor to lend my support to a new party, a new House of Reagan, one fit to bear his name.

As to the so called "majority of Conservatives", I do not believe you speak for them. I am plugged into the deep grassroots in Pro-Life and SOCON causes, and I have good friends in libertarian and FICON grassroots circles. Everywhere there is deep discontent with the GOP/RNC, and abandonment, and honest talk of abandonment. The very core of two pillars of Conservatism are looking elsewhere, believe me.

So what you are left with is the WARCONS, who are certainly devoted, as they figure into the plans of the Globalists. But they are nothing w/o their rank and file, and that rank and file will be more loyal to their country than to their cause, if their oath means anything (which it does).

The fracture is deep and nearly complete. You will not keep the SOCONS or the FICONS; try to keep the WARCONS if you can- I think they will turn to follow Reagan, yes I do.

57 posted on 10/18/2008 6:37:56 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Wuli

You say that if Conservatives don’t act like moderates, then their influence is so miniscule as to be like Libertarians...

...and then you want us to help your candidate win? Why, we have so *little* influence as to make no difference.

Face it, you Republicrats need us to win. You can live with a Conservative in power... and win. Or select one of your own and lose.

I think y’all like to lose, considering the consistant selection of Republicrats for the last 2 years.

So, when ever you all get sick of losing, you can follow a Conservative lead. Otherwise, get lost - we ain’t interested in listening.


65 posted on 10/18/2008 7:19:30 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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