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Too Big to Fail?[Ron Paul]
House.gov ^ | 20 Oct 2008 | Ron Paul

Posted on 10/20/2008 2:10:39 PM PDT by BGHater

In the midst of highly unpopular bailouts of Wall Street, many justifications have been given about why Washington feels the need to act. Some claim that capitalism and the free market are to blame, but we have not had capitalism. If you compare our financial capital to our aggregate debt, this would be obvious. In the same way, we have not had a truly free market. The monetary manipulations of the Federal Reserve, a complex tax code, the many “oversight” agencies and their mountains of regulations show that we are far removed from a free market economy.

Another unsatisfying argument is that certain entities have to be bailed out because of their economic importance. Supposedly, some entities can be so big, so important, that no matter what they do, citizens must perpetually sustain them.

Even limited government has a basic duty to defend against force and fraud. Some argue that force is somehow permissible just because the entity engaging in it is "economically significant." But one could use this reasoning to prop up slavery. It could be deemed unfortunate but economically beneficial, and indeed these arguments have been used historically to deprive people of their liberty. But slavery should never be tolerated regardless of any economic benefit, just as systemic fraud should not be tolerated. Some banks on Wall Street should fail. Fannie and Freddie should fail. They are perpetrating fraud against the people. Yet, government insists on rewarding behavior which should instead be investigated, prosecuted, and punished.

There has been much evidence of fraud at Fannie and Freddie, but when one man, Franklin Raines, defrauded the organization out of millions of dollars through illegal accounting tricks, and ends up agreeing to pay back just a fraction, one could argue that it was well worth it to him. Fannie went on to only get more deeply involved in subprime mortgages after this investigation. Several organizations are suffering right now precisely because the free market is trying to work and punish mismanagement, if only the government would get out of the way and let it. Perhaps banks are not lending to each other because they know that complicated accounting standards, created in part to defend against confiscatory tax policy, enables false fiscal pictures to be presented, which erodes trust. But this is not a time for the government to step in with more burdensome and complicated regulations, or more foolish liquidity injections. This is a time for some banks to fail, and remaining banks to deal honestly and transparently once again. More regulations will only result in more lies.

Just as economies that turned away from slave labor had a transition period, our economy would transition as well, but in the end, if we turned to honest, sound money and a truly free market, we would end up with a more just society, founded on truthfulness and decency, not subject to the violence of force or the whims of fraudulent institutions. Unfortunately, it seems we are headed into a new era of slavery, however, where all taxpayers will be forced to render to the Fed and big banking interests the bulk of the fruits of their labor, possibly through higher taxes but definitely through the eroding force of inflation.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bailout; economy; lp; ronpaul
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1 posted on 10/20/2008 2:10:41 PM PDT by BGHater
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To: BGHater

Words of wisdom from a giant among pygmies.


2 posted on 10/20/2008 2:14:02 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: BGHater

3 posted on 10/20/2008 2:21:20 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: Captain Kirk

Too bad he’s a “truther” surrender monkey.


4 posted on 10/20/2008 2:24:03 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: BGHater; Jim Robinson; dighton

His campaign wasn’t too big to fail.


5 posted on 10/20/2008 2:24:57 PM PDT by Constitution Day (how exhausting)
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allerious; ...
Some banks on Wall Street should fail. Fannie and Freddie should fail. They are perpetrating fraud against the people. Yet, government insists on rewarding behavior which should instead be investigated, prosecuted, and punished.



Libertarian ping! Click here to get added or here to be removed or just reply to this post!
6 posted on 10/20/2008 2:26:06 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: bamahead; traviskicks; djsherin; roamer_1

Ron Paul ping!


7 posted on 10/20/2008 2:33:22 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Baldwin/Castle 2008 - Gilmore for Senator from Virginia - Wolf for Congress)
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To: BGHater

Sometimes you have to give up a little freedom in order to be more free. The financial derivatives market is 51 trillion dollars (or at least it was, people don’t know how much its worth now).

To put things into scope, a country’s assets are usually 5 times GDP. The US makes 13 trillion a year in GDP. Its networth is around 65 trillion dollars.

Sometimes in the short-run, market adjustments can be extremely deadly. If credit markets had been allowed to fail, we would’ve probably gone through a major recession if not depression.

That doesn’t make it any less palatable to us true-blue conservatives and we should be hopping mad that this bailout came with no conditions to ever prevent this from happening again. We’re going to see a neutered form of subprime lending in the future with the democrats in control. Count on it.


8 posted on 10/20/2008 2:41:24 PM PDT by DiogenesLaertius
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To: Jim Robinson
I'm just surprised he didn't blame the Iraq war somewhere in this article for the bailout.
9 posted on 10/20/2008 3:12:05 PM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: april15Bendovr

I’m sure he does. I’m sure he believes all the Arab/Muslim/Islamic terrorist attacks on Judaism/Christianity all down through the centuries are the fault of America’s foreign policy.


10 posted on 10/20/2008 3:18:26 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: BGHater

I am so sick of Paul. He cares more about playing rock star with his little truther buddies than he does about his country.

If not, he would have endorsed McCain and set his manic supporters against the Marxist tyros with the narcissistic personality disorder.


11 posted on 10/20/2008 3:22:42 PM PDT by WildcatClan (The world is full of fatheads; so I invented Diet Shampoo)
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To: I see my hands

How long are you going to keep repeating lies?

Paul is not now and never was a ‘truther’.


12 posted on 10/20/2008 3:41:44 PM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
"How long are you going to keep repeating lies"

Have you quit stealing tp from highway rest stops yet?


13 posted on 10/20/2008 3:45:40 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
It's the usual spoon-fed propaganda from the RNC.

They're no different from the leftist democrats IMO. It seems both sides want a totalitarian state, but has different means to go about it.
14 posted on 10/20/2008 3:50:23 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: DiogenesLaertius
Sometimes in the short-run, market adjustments can be extremely deadly. If credit markets had been allowed to fail, we would’ve probably gone through a major recession if not depression.

Mathematically, one of two things (or both) must almost certainly be true:

  1. Without the intervention, the failure of the credit markets would not have been so severe as Paulson et al. have claimed, or

  2. Despite the intervention (and any plausible future intervention), the credit markets are still guaranteed to fail; such failure when it occurs will almost certainly be more severe than it would have been absent the intervention.
If a company is sufficiently insolvent that the most optimistic (smallest) estimate of liabilities exceeds the most optimistic estimate of assets (including non-book assets like employee knowledge), the company should be liquidated. Investment in the company will almost certainly result in a net loss of wealth. It will likely give some benefit to existing creditors, but the new investors will lost at least as much as the creditors gain.

Consider Boris' Bank in Pottsylvania (no banking rules there). Boris sells $100 two-year CDs at 41.4% interest; after two years, they're worth $200. Initially, people are skeptical about Boris' offer, so few people invest at first. After people see that Boris is making good on his CDs, increasing number of people invest. What they don't see is that Boris simply pockets any money that won't be needed to pay off claims within the next three months. As long as the number of depositors doubles every couple years, Boris will continue to make good on his CDs. When deposits stop accelerating, and the three-month reserve gets nearly exhausted, Boris goes to the government and asks for a 'loan' to keep him afloat. Should the government grant it? What would be the effect?

15 posted on 10/20/2008 4:03:18 PM PDT by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Barbara Streisand)
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To: I see my hands
Have you quit stealing tp from highway rest stops yet?

A non answer. About what we expect from RNC stooges.

16 posted on 10/20/2008 4:19:44 PM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: randomhero97
They're no different from the leftist democrats IMO. It seems both sides want a totalitarian state, but has different means to go about it.

They're just p!ssed that Paul called this one right, and called it during the Primary.

You phrased that correctly by using the word totalitarian.

It seems that The neocons are pretty much fascists, while the Democrats are more Marxists.

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"

17 posted on 10/20/2008 4:22:22 PM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: BGHater
Unfortunately, it seems we are headed into a new era of slavery, however, where all taxpayers will be forced to render to the Fed and big banking interests the bulk of the fruits of their labor, possibly through higher taxes but definitely through the eroding force of inflation.

All you Ron Paul haters, don't say he didn't warn you!

18 posted on 10/20/2008 4:33:06 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (Only a coalition of Marxists and Islamists can destroy the United States. ~ Carlos the Jackal)
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To: I see my hands

The truther accusation was debunked long ago. Give it a rest.

And whatever else you have to say, you can rely on this- he’s dead right about the economy, and he’s been dead right for decades.

Adjust your investment strategy accordingly.


19 posted on 10/20/2008 4:36:38 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (Only a coalition of Marxists and Islamists can destroy the United States. ~ Carlos the Jackal)
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To: ovrtaxt
The hypocrisy is hilarious.

They called and still call Ron Paul all kinds of derogative names and bash him constantly. Yet, now they want and believe his endorsement would put McCain over the top.
20 posted on 10/20/2008 4:47:28 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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