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Michael Medved: The Consequences of Defeat (Read this!)
Townhall ^ | October 22, 2008 | Michael Medved

Posted on 10/21/2008 10:42:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: hershey; rightinthemiddle
"to acknowledge the huge stakes in this campaign"

But he assured us there was no sinister conspiracy involved.

Now with socialism about to enter the White House and Obama and his VIP endorsers flashing Illuminati hand signs with nudges and winks at his "transformative" leadership, maybe there will be a different spin. Now the house is falling in and the cards all look the same.


41 posted on 10/22/2008 4:07:03 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
John McCain has explicitly stated that Americans should not fear a President Obama.

Either he was lying, or he doesn't get it, or he in fact is correct. Which do you think it is?

42 posted on 10/22/2008 4:14:42 AM PDT by Notary Sojac
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To: Notary Sojac

He was told the deal was done at the last meeting?


43 posted on 10/22/2008 4:16:12 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I hate the idea of an Obama election, but McCain is losing precisely because of

A) He is too old
B) He is a compromiser, not a Conservative
C) Fear of confrontation with the truth about his opponent
D) Has not been pounding Obama about his flip flop on campaign financing, or asking him directly, who will he owe for his election
E) Will not stake out any differences between himself and his opponent, beyond taxes. He ignores same sex marriage, supports amnesty for illegals, has not publicly pressured Congress to move quickly on new sources of energy, or questioned Obamas ties to a high number of radicals, including as a youth.
F) He could have easily taken the side of Conservatism during the bail-out debate, but compromised his so called principles again.
In short, though I will most likely vote for McCain, he is a poor candidate, with little chance of governing. Wrong man, wrong time.


44 posted on 10/22/2008 4:27:41 AM PDT by dabluesman
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To: GVnana; Jeff Head; Darkwolf377; nathanbedford; Noumenon
They don't give a damn about what you call your rights. They call it ignorance. You are the enemy and they want you obliterated.

Yes.

Read Thomas Franks' "What's the Matter With Kansas". (Franks, BTW, now has a regular WSJ column!).

This book, which plagiarizes and updates Lenin's classic "What Is To Be Done", outlines the whole theory.

The central Leftist problem is that the proletariat does not make revolution. According to Marx, proletarian revolution in response to capitalism is inevitable, one of the "iron laws of history". Is Marx wrong?

Lenin (and Franks) say "no". The problem is "false consciousness". Browbeaten by the bosses, the proles are brainwashed and cannot see their "true" interests.

So, what's needed is a revolutionary vanguard to seize power and to (this is very important) CHANGE THEIR THINKING TO APPRECIATE, INSTEAD OF TO CONDEMN, COMMUNISM.

To put it in a slightly different way, they will need to be forcibly taught to stop clinging to their guns and their religion before they can see the light. Children first.

This is the significance of Ayers. And Klonsky the Maoist.

Lenin's great innovation was his discovery of the method to change the thinking of the working classes. He called it the red terror.

I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that Obama is surrounded by advisers and semi-clandestine handlers who are 100% committed Leninists who seek to control the schools, brainwash the masses, repress or eliminate the kulaks (entrepreneurs) and to FIX "what's the matter with Kansas" once and for all.

Of course, this is not Russia, crushed and defeated by world war. The question is, what event, or series of events, will cause the People of the United States to assert their original right to alter or abolish forms which have become destructive of the ends for which governments are instituted among men?

By any means necessary, to quote Minister Malcom.

45 posted on 10/22/2008 4:35:39 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered...the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

If you love the USA, then you vote for McCain/Palin. If not, then you vote for 0bama, or stay home. It’s that simple. The damage though, with a 0bama presidency will be enormous


46 posted on 10/22/2008 4:40:02 AM PDT by Kaslin (If Obama wants to spread the wealth around, let him start with his own)
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To: hershey

Good point....and NO CONSERVATIVE will EVER STEP INTO THE BREACH ANYMORE...NONE.....Not Joe the Plumber, No WRITER, No POLITICIAN....NO ONE will want to stick their neck out and be DESTROYED by the LEFT MEDI!!!


47 posted on 10/22/2008 4:43:52 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
There is simply no historical model for the process of party defeat, purification and rejuvenation that some deluded conservatives recommend.

I disagree. We're seeing it now. We had Clinton. Then we had Gore (more liberal). Then we had Kerry (much more liberal). Now we have Obama (VERY liberal). Perhaps they're all equally liberal, and some were better at hiding it than others, but I doubt it.

If McCain loses, Governor Palin will enjoy no future in national politics...political history and current circumstance make it highly unlikely that she’d survive the defeat of a McCain-Palin ticket as an enduring figure of national stature...defeated Vice Presidential candidates almost always disappear as contenders for party leadership. Consider the four most recent losing nominees for Vice President: John Edwards, Joe Lieberman and Dan Quayle all tried to run Presidential campaigns after their losing VEEP bids and all three failed miserably. Meanwhile, the previously well-regarded Jack Kemp (Bob Dole’s running mate in ’96) left politics altogether after his ticket went down in flames.

I'm seeing apples and oranges here. Edwards was little more than a used-car salesman with an expensive haricut. Lieberman proved to a LOT of potential fans that he was nothing but a political whore. Quayle was completely neutered by the press. Kemp was a good conservative, like Palin, but, let's face it--he wasn't the most exciting person in the world. Sarah Palin energizes people, LOTS of people. While Mr. Medved could be correct in his assertion of her disappearance, it will be an inside job by the blue-blooded "intellectuals" who feel she has no place at their table, certainly not by the electorate.

48 posted on 10/22/2008 4:45:07 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: Notary Sojac

You’re wrong...ACORN DID get us to where we are today...VOTE FRAUD has piut in a LOT of DEMOCRATS.


49 posted on 10/22/2008 4:45:15 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: dabluesman

Hello Newbie......if Obama wins a LOT of GREAT MILITARY PEOPLE will retire and a LOT won’t sign up.......DRAFT COMING WITH WOMEN INCLUDED!


50 posted on 10/22/2008 4:47:20 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy

If the media had vetted Obama like the way they have gone after Joe the Plumber, Hillary would have won the nomination.


51 posted on 10/22/2008 4:47:30 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

Obama would be a crackhead in Chicago if he had been vetted years ago.


52 posted on 10/22/2008 4:48:16 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Jim Noble

And that’sa recipe for civil war. As usual, the Left is overreaching itself.


53 posted on 10/22/2008 5:52:53 AM PDT by Noumenon (Time for Atlas to shrug - and to pick up a gun)
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To: dabluesman
It's easy to just pile on McCain (of whom I am not a fan), but remember, he has to deal with half of our country who's in a hyponotic state about Obamamessiah. I'm not sure what the answer is. The whole media is behaving 5th column-ish as I've never seen, so how do you get your message out, without sounding like a lunatic?

I mean, my family and friends are so clueless, and the one "thinker" is barely coming around to some sanity, for whom I had to read chunks of "Rules for Radicals" to. These are conservative, pro-life folks, who are confused! Well meaning, but truly ignorant. I'm the odd one out who actively seeks the truth, with such priceless resources as FreeRepublic, while family and friends are in their well-meaning bubbles.

Honestly, George Bush, while he has some positives, has set the financial socialist table; Obama looks like he'll complete the job on the other fronts. Can't wake the sheeple.

Is McCain the media pick? I'm thinking he is. If so, he's doing actually an even better job than expected!! Picking Palin was gutsy and amazing.

Tinfoil hat off.

54 posted on 10/22/2008 5:55:21 AM PDT by elk
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To: dabluesman; elk; Ann Archy
If McCain loses the pundits, wonks, and political analysts will be writing articles trying to explain why. The McCain was "too old" meme. The economy. The unpopularity of the Iraq war and the personal unpopularity of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld. That the Palin pick was a mistake, etc. That he should have picked Tom Ridge or been more moderate and centrist. Blah, blah, blah. If Obama's wacky socialism and the damage to the economy don't help reenergize the conservative movement, God help us.

The dumbed down electorate subjected to pro-Obama propaganda and mind control from the media has been a factor, along with the media not vetting Obama properly. They have given Joe the Plumber more scrutiny than Obama.

55 posted on 10/22/2008 6:03:28 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

mark


56 posted on 10/22/2008 6:33:25 AM PDT by Christian4Bush (Country First*****McCain/Palin 08*********vs. CountryWIDE First [obama and the donks])
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
MYTH #3: An Obama win in 2008 will set up a far more significant conservative triumph in 2012 (or 2016); after all, isn’t it true that “we had to go through Jimmy Carter to get Reagan”?

This idiocy is the one that irritates me the most, and I see it parroted here constantly. Newsflash : We've had de facto open borders since the early 1990s at least. We have been inundated with Third Worlders who vote (legally or otherwise)overwhelmingly for the Democratic ticket and the goodies and racial politics it offers. Furthermore, we have the children born between 1980-1990, when Ronald Reagan and his VP were in office. This generation is now eligible to vote, and they have been subjected to leftist indoctrination from elementary school on, that previous generations of voters were spared till college! We do NOT have the same electorate now OR in 2012 as we did in 1980, so why on EARTH do some people believe a new Ronald Reagan will magically appear if we elect a "new" Jimmy Carter ? BHO is far more leftist and IMO far more EVIL than Carter ever dreamed of being. Look at how he tried to use state Law enforcement in Missouri against detractors, and how he tried to sue to keep NRA ads off the air waves in Pennsylvania (and Ohio?). This creature is something unprecedented in US (but not world....) history, and I do not think the Constitution or the country can survive even 4 years of the t**d.

57 posted on 10/22/2008 7:12:16 AM PDT by kaylar
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To: Notary Sojac

That’s my take on it. It’s not something I enjoy owning up to.


58 posted on 10/22/2008 7:40:00 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Is Obamanation what our founding fathers, our fallen men in combat, and Ronald Reagan had in mind?)
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To: MrShoop

Polls *always* tilt to the Democrats. Never to the Republicans.


60 posted on 10/22/2008 8:34:45 AM PDT by ROTB (Our Constitution [is] for a [Christian] people. It is wholly inadequate [for] any other. -John Adams)
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