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To: dennisw
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Read what the Sun-Times reporter has to say about Obama's "conversion" without any baptism. Being he was a Muslim when young he needs a baptism not a mere profession of faith and a self serving one in my opinion
Nobody, except Obama knows if his conversion to Christianity is real or not. Although some reports and even Obama have referred to a "baptism", there doesn't appear to be any record of a baptism.

Chicago-based journalist, broadcaster and critic Andy Martin, when asked about Obama's baptism, wrote, "I have never been able to obtain any evidence that he was baptized, although I asked for those records."

It seems that Obama's conversion occurred when he answered one of Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright's altar calls by walking down the aisle of Trinity Church to make a formal commitment of his faith.

Cathleen Falsani, religion columnist for the Chicago Sun-Times, writes, "He (Obama) described his conversion experience in his mid-20s, how he walked the aisle at Trinity United Church of Christ one Sunday in a public affirmation of his private change of heart."

"I came to Christianity through the black church tradition where the line between evangelical and non-evangelical is completely blurred. Nobody knows exactly what it means."

"Does it mean that you feel you've got a personal relationship with Christ the savior? Then that's directly part of the black church experience. Does it mean you're born-again in a classic sense, with all the accoutrements that go along with that, as it's understood by some other tradition? I'm not sure."

"There are aspects of Christian tradition that I'm comfortable with and aspects that I'm not. There are passages of the Bible that make perfect sense to me and others that I go, 'Ya know, I'm not sure about that.'"

"It wasn't an epiphany," he says of that public profession of faith. "It was much more of a gradual process for me. I know there are some people who fall out. Which is wonderful. God bless them.... I think it was just a moment to certify or publicly affirm a growing faith in me."

Falsani warns us that Obama’s walking the aisle at Trinity is poles apart from what Christians commonly refer to as being "saved, transformed or washed in the blood." In other words, it’s not to be confused with what Jesus called being "born again." As Mr. Obama himself explains, "It wasn’t an epiphany … but just a moment to certify or publicly affirm a growing faith in me."

In another account of this event, Manya Brachear, writing in the Chicago Tribune, describes the event thusly: "When Obama sought his own church community, he felt increasingly at home at Trinity. Before leaving for Harvard Law School in 1988, he responded to one of Wright's altar calls and declared a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

Falsani wonders, "What kind of faith is it that is growing in Barack Obama? Is it the historic Christian faith? Not according to the good senator, who describes his faith as: (1) Suspicious of dogma (2) Without any monopoly on the truth (3) Nontransferable to others (4) Infused with a big healthy dose of doubt, and (5) Indulgent of and compatible with all other religions."

Unlike traditional Christianity, which Mr. Obama bemoans for its "call to evangelize and proselytize," the good senator’s faith is strictly a personal and private affair. Although he has no qualms about parading it in public in hopes of bolstering his political career, he would never dream of preaching it to others in hopes of converting them to Christ.

At the core of Obama's faith -- whether lapsed Muslim, new Christian or some mixture of the two -- is African nativism and Obama's having pledged allegiance to the Black Value System raises political issues of its own.

Request for info: If anyone, anywhere, can validate Obama's baptism, please contact me via feedback or email with a source, link or other documentation.

 


2 posted on 10/22/2008 5:19:37 AM PDT by dennisw (Never bet on Islam! ::::: Never bet on a false prophet!)
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To: dennisw

When they open his Mother’s crypt, they’ll find a hyena.


5 posted on 10/22/2008 5:30:46 AM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: dennisw
Request for info: If anyone, anywhere, can validate Obama's baptism, please contact me via feedback or email with a source, link or other documentation.

No one seems to be able to validate anything about The One.

6 posted on 10/22/2008 5:31:08 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: dennisw

Oh and allow for me to set the record straight for any lib. who just happens to be snooping around in this here conservative website. Im 18 and black... so dont even attempt to play the race card.


8 posted on 10/22/2008 5:34:38 AM PDT by AConservativeRealist
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To: dennisw
I wouldn't even bother with this. There are so many "christians" who completely dismiss the plain language and instructions of the Bible when it comes to the topic of Baptism. If Obama was not baptized, he will fit right in with the millions of "christians" in the US who pick and choose whichever parts of the bible they like.

Given the absolutely wretched, hateful, racist, disgusting anti-american behavior and language of Barack's "church" I would not doubt at all if they and Barack completely ignore Christ's words that he is "the way, the truth and the life, and no man comes to the father but through me" - Barack probably falls into the crowd that refuses to say that other main religions are outside the teachings of Christ. For example, Barack would probably not say that the teachings of Mohammed and the Koran are wrong, and that Islam is not a true religion.
10 posted on 10/22/2008 5:41:32 AM PDT by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh (I cling to guns and religion.)
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To: dennisw

We will know he’s a Christian by his fruits.
We will know he’s a Christian by his love for fellow believers.
We will know he’s a Christian by his ever increasing knowledge and wisdom gained from rightly dividing the Word of God. Uh....strike three.


18 posted on 10/22/2008 6:01:39 AM PDT by uptoolate (Shhh. If you listen real hard, God is speaking to America.)
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To: dennisw; Cletus.D.Yokel; bcsco; PJ-Comix; Paul Heinzman
Chicago-based journalist, broadcaster and critic Andy Martin, when asked about Obama's baptism, wrote, "I have never been able to obtain any evidence that he was baptized, although I asked for those records."

If Obama is baptized, there should be a record of it. If he is not baptized, I do not consider him a Christian. That is the historic and objective line of demarcation, distinguishing Christians and non-Christians, going back to the very beginning of the Christian church.

I was baptized in the name of the Father and of the + Son and of the Holy Spirit on September 10, 1953.

BTW, I am a Lutheran pastor.

29 posted on 10/22/2008 7:14:43 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Born March 7, 1953. Born again September 10, 1953.)
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To: dennisw

So, no baptism. Probably no first communion, no confirmation, although a partial confession. Well, he ain’t Catholic, that’s for sure.


30 posted on 10/22/2008 7:49:59 AM PDT by Catholic Canadian ( I love Sarah Palin!!)
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To: dennisw
I wrote most of those words. That item was produced by editing together six different news items, plus the correspondence from the three reporters mentioned.

This is my request for info:

Request for info: If anyone, anywhere, can validate Obama’s baptism, please contact me via feedback or email with a source, link or other documentation.

http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaReligion.htm#Conversion

33 posted on 10/22/2008 8:44:32 AM PDT by Beckwith ('Typical White Person')
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