Posted on 10/22/2008 7:12:39 AM PDT by gieriscm
The new ATF 4473's are arriving at gun dealers around the country. The new yellow forms are supposed to be used no later than November 15.
There is an important difference between the new forms and the old forms. The old forms only differentiated between "Long Gun" and "Handgun". The new forms have another category "Other" which covers stripped receivers. From the instructions that go with the new form:
If a frame or receiver can only be made into a long gun (rifle or shotgun) it is still a frame or receiver not a handgun or long gun. However they are still firearms by definition and subject to the same GCA limitations as any other firearm. See section 921(a)(3)(b).
18 USC section 922(b)(1) makes it unlawful for a licensee to sell any firearm other than a shotgun of rifle to any person under 21.
Since a frame or receiver for a firearm to include one that can only be made into a long gun, is a "firearm other than a shotgun or a rifle" it cannot be transferred to anyone under the age of 21.
Also note that multiple sale forms are not required for frames or receivers of any firearms or pistol grip firearms, since they are not "pistols or revolvers" under section 923(g)(3)(a).
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Note the section bolded above. In the past dealers have transfered stripped receivers to people age 18-20 because stripped receivers aren't handguns. ATF has now changed that.
Good thing we have a republican in the whitehouse to restrain this unconstitutional agency. /sarcasm
BTW, I bought a shotgun this morning and the form now is something like 8 pages, front and back. Fortunately I only had to complete the front page and sign on the second. The BATF is by incrementalism making it more and more difficult to buy or own a gun.
So a frame sold as a muzzle loader can’t become a pistol?
Is it legal to build a pistol from a stripped receiver, and do you have to apply to the ATF to build a pistol?
Its confusion here.
Looks like ATF is gonna define it for us.
Now we gotta define what a piece of sheet metal will become.
I dont think you have to apply, but NOW you have to define.
It’s late here and I could have all this shiznit fouled up.
Thats what sucks about ATF. misinterpret them and its 5 yrs in jail. Most folks are just trying to comply with the ever evolving BS laws.
Wait till Barama gets a whack at it
Frankly I dont understand a “stripped receiver” is that a receiver?
Used to be that you could make yer own receiver and you could build a gun(they never said what kind) and you didn’t have to register in any way, but the only way you could transfer the “firearm” was through inheritance/ family. Ya couldn’t sell it.
No. You have to petition the BATF to change the designation of the frame to a pistol and record the serial number as such. I avoided the problem by always insisting that my T/C frame purchases are factory new pistol registered frames. That way I can legally build any format. I still have to play by the rules for barrel lengths and stocks in each configuration to be legal i.e. no rifle stocks with barrels under 16 inches....unless you go through the nosebleed of getting an SBR, engraving the frame and carrying the paperwork any time it is built in SBR format.
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A "stripped lower" is a firearm, but not a long gun (yet), and not transferrable by a dealer to anyone under 21 years old. A lower with a rifle stock transfers as a rifle.
It gets better. Per ATF only “long guns” can be purchased from a dealer by a non-licensee if the non-licensee is not in his state of residence. Stripped receivers are treated the same way as handguns; non-licensees may only purchase them from a dealer in his home state.
I think most of them would have panic attacks in the average gun shop.
It is legal, provided the receiver has never at any point in its existence been built into a rifle.
I wondered if that was you...
I doubt it was anyone from Amarillo or Texas ! The I-40 pipeline of nuts and such that come through there is my SWAG on the matter !
They piss me off so bad I have to do such you’ll hear it before you read about it !.....:o)
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