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Where is Obama’s Birth Certificate and Why Doesn’t He Produce It?
FSM ^ | 10/23/08 | Joan Swersky

Posted on 10/23/2008 6:09:46 AM PDT by pissant

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To: Fishrrman

Someone posted a reply last night to one of these threads that made a lot of sense.

Even if something does turn up, the Courts won’t enforce it. The Congress will be expected to determine eligibility...and does anyone think Congress would overturn the Primary results, let alone the actual election?

If something concrete is not determined before the election, where voters can decide how it impacts his trustworthiness, then nothing will be done. Period.


61 posted on 10/23/2008 7:33:22 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (It's Joe the Plumber vs. Bill the Bomber!)
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To: BP2

Funny, I don’t see “Virgin Birth” anywhere on that.


62 posted on 10/23/2008 7:39:39 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (If you read only one book this year, read "Stolen Valor".)
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To: BP2
And with 50 states, all with slightly different election laws in place, it could cause upheaval if all of this is true.

I would wager that all 50 have slight variations in their election laws, yes.

If Obama did NOT make an official legal name change along the way, all it could take is ONE Secretary of State to NOT certify election results to throw the whole electoral process off.

Local Secretaries of State don't certify presidential elections. The Senate does that based on the results of the Electoral College.

63 posted on 10/23/2008 7:40:09 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
True, but the SOS can have wide-ranging discretion power in the process, if they feel the voting process is flawed, with say "wrong name on ballot" (which would surely be challenged in court). We all remember Katherine Harris in 2000.

from Wiki: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katherine_Harris)

Harris certified that the Republican candidate, then-Texas Governor George W. Bush, had defeated the Democratic candidate, then-Vice President Al Gore, in the popular vote of Florida and thus certified the Republican slate of electors. Despite the fact that the margin separating Bush from Gore was only a few hundred votes, with thousands of votes remaining to be counted, Harris ordered a halt to the count, freezing Bush's small margin in place.

... Florida state and federal law permit officials wide discretion in doing whatever it needed to permit voters to vote in such a way that their votes can easily be read and counted.

64 posted on 10/23/2008 7:53:58 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: pissant
The biggest unanswered question in all of this is:

Why hasn't the judge in this case ruled on this?

65 posted on 10/23/2008 8:04:14 AM PDT by retry
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To: Non-Sequitur

The rules in the Constitution are looser for Senators (as Barak Obama is already one - ergo has passed the paperwork test)...

The rules for POTUS are more stringent.


66 posted on 10/23/2008 8:13:35 AM PDT by imintrouble
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To: jetson

For Osama Hussein, apparently we have.


67 posted on 10/23/2008 8:24:14 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: imintrouble

State election laws are still state election laws. And none of the states are empowered with checking a presidential candidate’s qualifications before placing them on the ballot.


68 posted on 10/23/2008 8:25:57 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: pissant
If I were the only major party Presidential candidate who had been asked (by his enemies) to produce a BC in the history of the nation, it would piss me off mightily, and I would refuse to do it.

Perhaps Dunham-Soetero feels the same way.

69 posted on 10/23/2008 8:27:56 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered...the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph)
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To: illiac

Did not know if you’d seen the results of the Andy Martin presser in Honolulu yesterday. Anyway....here is the link:

http://contrariancommentary.wordpress.com/

It looks like the mods have pulled the excellent thread on this article, including the photos of 0bama’s supposed real father, Frank Marshall Davis.


70 posted on 10/23/2008 8:40:11 AM PDT by aShepard (Loose lips Sink ships)
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To: Falcon4.0
More likely to get Grandma to sign a "deathbed affidavit" attesting to his "Hawaiian" birth -- or, failing that, to simply get a copy of her signature to use on a forgery.

I wonder how he's going to fake the hospital record -- with his infant footprints on it...

71 posted on 10/23/2008 8:54:34 AM PDT by TXnMA (To anger a conservative: lie about him. To anger a liberal: tell the truth...)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Yes but running for Presidential office, the Feds must insist all the paperwork is in order.


72 posted on 10/23/2008 10:12:13 AM PDT by imintrouble
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To: imintrouble
Yes but running for Presidential office, the Feds must insist all the paperwork is in order.

Really? And who exactly does that?

73 posted on 10/23/2008 11:12:22 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: imintrouble
Yes but running for Presidential office, the Feds must insist all the paperwork is in order

Elections are an organic act of the People.

If you let "the Feds" be in charge of elections, you might as well not have 'em.

74 posted on 10/23/2008 11:58:32 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered...the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Those who interpret and enforce the laws of the Constitution as they affect citizenship right? Citizenship is not a matter of individual States but of the U.S. Government. That is what I was referring to.

It would seem that if the new father has surfaced with the Hollywood-style Obama beginnings - better to be an African than an American Negro (omg).... this new story cooked up
may change Obama’s rightful name, but will guarantee he is the child of an American.....

This beats anything Spielberg could dream up.....

We are dealing with a psychopath - and he may be our leader in the too soon future.


75 posted on 10/24/2008 4:41:34 AM PDT by imintrouble
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To: Jim Noble

See my response to Non-Sequiter.

I was referring to Constitutional interpretation - a Federal matter. That of Obama’s birth status.

I apologize to you both for my lack of clarity.


76 posted on 10/24/2008 4:43:59 AM PDT by imintrouble
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To: imintrouble
Those who interpret and enforce the laws of the Constitution as they affect citizenship right? Citizenship is not a matter of individual States but of the U.S. Government. That is what I was referring to.

The Constitution clearly lays out the requirements for president. But right now there is nothing - no laws or legislation - giving any specific government office or agency the responsibility for verifying those qualifications. If it is proven that Obama was not born in the U.S., or is under 35 or hasn't lived in the U.S. for the past 14 years, then he'll be removed from office. His presidency will end, and Biden will probably be president.

77 posted on 10/24/2008 4:48:39 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Thank you - because this business of citizenship has become so underground and deleted from public consumption, I am
concerned those behind the scenes will make up “law” as they see fit under the guise of “protecting the people”.

If I have learned anything it is we stand to lose our freedoms through the behavior and dictatorship of the MSM as well as suppression of information which is the peoples’ right to know.

If there was no internet communication, we would be kept in ignorance.

Perhaps it has always been this way - but I prefer to believe still the U.S. is a nation of free people with freedom of thought and exchange of ideas. That is our strength.

I hope it is not lost.


78 posted on 10/24/2008 5:00:34 AM PDT by imintrouble
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