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Democrat: Obama's grandma confirms Kenyan birth'...real sham he's pulled off for the last 20 months'
WND ^ | October 23, 2008

Posted on 10/23/2008 10:30:22 PM PDT by Red Steel

The Pennsylvania Democrat who has sued Sen. Barack Obama demanding he prove his American citizenship – and therefore qualification to run for president – has confirmed he has a recording of a telephone call from the senator's paternal grandmother confirming his birth in Kenya.

The issue of Obama's birthplace, which he states is Honolulu in 1961, has been raised enough times that his campaign website has posted an image purporting to be of his "Certification of Live Birth" from Hawaii.

But Philip J. Berg, a former deputy attorney general for Pennsylvania, told the Michael Savage talk radio program tonight that the document is forged and that he has a tape recording he will soon release.

"This has been a real sham he's pulled off for the last 20 months," Berg told Savage. "I'll release it [the tape] in a day or two, affidavits from her talking to a certain person. I heard the tape. She was speaking [to someone] here in the United States."

He said the telephone call was from Obama's paternal grandmother affirming she "was in the delivery room in Kenya when he was born Aug. 4, 1961."

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Three, be a natural-born citizen. He is not."

Obama campaign officials acknowledged the dispute by posting the image purporting to be a copy of his certification of live birth earlier this year. But they've declined to return WND requests for comment...

WND reported earlier this week Berg's claim that Obama has legally "admitted" the accusations included in his lawsuit, including that he was born in Mombosa, Kenya, by not responding to the allegations.

Berg has cited Rule 36 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, which states that unless the accused party provides written answer or objection to charges within 30 days, the accused legally admits the matter.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: alienobama; bc; birthcertificate; certifigate; colb; obama; obamagate; obamaisgoingdown; obamatruthsquad
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1 posted on 10/23/2008 10:30:22 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

The story has real legs. This ain’t something they can duck.


2 posted on 10/23/2008 10:33:04 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Red Steel
Berg has cited Rule 36 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, which states that unless the accused party provides written answer or objection to charges within 30 days, the accused legally admits the matter.

Obama looks guilty here.

3 posted on 10/23/2008 10:33:38 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Secret Agent Man

I sure hope so.


4 posted on 10/23/2008 10:34:24 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: Red Steel

I hope Michelle’s ‘whitey’ tape can be released the same time as the ‘grandma’ tape. The two together will be devasting to Obama’s campaign.


5 posted on 10/23/2008 10:34:43 PM PDT by FFranco
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To: Red Steel

I thought he had the grandmother’s confirmation in writing, not as a recording.


6 posted on 10/23/2008 10:35:07 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod (John McCain and Sarah Palin: Reform, Prosperity, and Peace)
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To: Red Steel

Oh goodie, another tape promise.


7 posted on 10/23/2008 10:35:49 PM PDT by Unkosified (What do Osama and Obama have in common? They both have friends that bombed the Pentagon.)
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To: Red Steel

Pity we can’t focus on facts and we focus on some Carnival Barker who keeps bringing up this ridiculous story. The serial number and the certificate with raised seal WERE produced. If this were a real problem Clinton would have wiped him long ago. They base the forgery deduction from the one on Obama’s site and not on the one he produced for FactCheck. This is NO defense of Obama whatsoever, but my god how long are we going to keep chasing rainbows?


8 posted on 10/23/2008 10:36:36 PM PDT by Klepto
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To: Red Steel

I can’t buy this stuff without proof but WOULDN’T IT BE FN HILARIOUS! Mass suicides at the DUmp, the Kos Kommie Kiddie playground and at the Huffingandpuffing Post. LOL!!! It’s too good to be true.


9 posted on 10/23/2008 10:36:43 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("I'm just going to spread YOUR wealth around." - Barack HUSSEIN Obama a.k.a. Barry Soetoro)
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To: Red Steel
I have seen posted some motions and proposed orders , but I have never seen any order of the court to enlarge time in which to respond to the requests for admissions . This is getting to the point it can no longer be discounted as some crack pot scheme of Berg's .
10 posted on 10/23/2008 10:36:58 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know F/8 Cav)
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To: FFranco

Maybe we’ll get the Michelle Whitey tape, the Michell African Press International tape and the grandma tape all in one day.


11 posted on 10/23/2008 10:37:14 PM PDT by Unkosified (What do Osama and Obama have in common? They both have friends that bombed the Pentagon.)
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To: Red Steel

BFD
If he is not a “natural born citizen,” his accolytes are not going to give a rat’s ass. After all, if they are going to vote for a condescending elitist who votes to let babies die after being born alive - they are not going to care about whether or not he’s “qualified.”


12 posted on 10/23/2008 10:37:18 PM PDT by XR7
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To: Klepto

It’s not a shadow, and hey welcome to FR.


13 posted on 10/23/2008 10:38:34 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: FFranco

My Gosh, I sure hope so...I have been waiting months for something to come up....we here at FR know a lot more than most. MSM doesnt say anything about Obama.....They cant ignore a tape!!!!! strike one

Next Whitey Tape, strike two

Third at bat R.Odinga, Obama uses U.S. money to support...strike three See YAAAAAAAAA!

i hope


14 posted on 10/23/2008 10:38:50 PM PDT by Texas4ever (!WHO IS OBAMA?)
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15 posted on 10/23/2008 10:40:56 PM PDT by XR7
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I think the media and the obamaniacs would try to pass a law that it doesnt matter...he is what is right with America....they will go to the Supreme Court!!!!
OBama will be the first Kenyan Citizen to be our Pres.


16 posted on 10/23/2008 10:41:20 PM PDT by Texas4ever (!WHO IS OBAMA?)
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To: Red Steel

It might not matter.

All my children were born in Japan, yet all are citizens by birth with US Passports.

I don’t know what the law was in 61, but a child born overseas to a US citizen today can derive citizenship from parentage.


17 posted on 10/23/2008 10:41:33 PM PDT by dsc
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To: Red Steel

Thanks!

It’s just that I was a trial lawyer and judge for 40 years and, though of course I could be wrong, from what I have found on this issue it looks ludicrous.


18 posted on 10/23/2008 10:42:33 PM PDT by Klepto
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To: Texas4ever

Well they can’t do that. Would need to be a constitutional amendment and that won’t happen. But this 9/11 conspiracy theorist’s rantings (Berg) are bogus.


19 posted on 10/23/2008 10:45:20 PM PDT by Klepto
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To: dsc

Only if the mother is of age. Obama’a mother was a teenager.


20 posted on 10/23/2008 10:45:31 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("There is no insanity greater than electing a pathological Narcissist as president.")
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To: Klepto
They base the forgery deduction from the one on Obama’s site and not on the one he produced for FactCheck.

FactCheck????? ROTFLOL!!!

The fact is, the ANNENBERG Public Policy Center (APPC), the sponsoring agency behind FastCheck.org,
is itself supported by the same foundation, the ANNENBERG FOUNDATION, that Bill Ayers secured the 49.2 million dollars from to create the Chicago ANNENBERG Challenge “philanthropic” organization in which Barack Obama was the founding Chairman of the Board for and Ayers served as the grant writer of and co-Chair of for its two operating arms.

I wouldn't trust FactCheck.org to tell me there was a beautiful blue sky in NYC on 9-11-01.

Welcome to FR.

21 posted on 10/23/2008 10:50:16 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: dsc

If your mother is married to your father and your father is a Kenyan muslim, and you are born in Kenya, you are a Kenyan muslim.

One parent does not suffice for US citizenship. Else every Thirdworldistani mother would claim that a US serviceman (or tourist) was the daddy.


22 posted on 10/23/2008 10:51:32 PM PDT by null and void (Socialism doesn't work because of people./People don't work because of socialism...)
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To: Secret Agent Man
Wasn't Obama’s mother an American citizen from Kansas?

If my(American citizen)daughter's child is born in Forres, Scotland while she is there on an extended vacation does that mean my grandchild will not be a naturalized American citizen even though my daughter was born in Florida to a family that came here in 1830?

23 posted on 10/23/2008 10:53:00 PM PDT by KDD ( it's not what people don't know that make them ignorant it's what they know that ain't so.)
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To: XR7

They may not care a “rat’s arse”, but even if Obama manages a narrow win now, the courts will care. If Biden, then, becomes POTUS, he will be holding on for dear life for his four year term. At two years, the dems will lose control of the House and a conservative President will waltz into the White House two years later with substantial loses to dems in the Senate. Socialist will never maintain power in the freedom loving USA.


24 posted on 10/23/2008 10:54:11 PM PDT by downtownconservative (Intelligence sans reason is vainglorious pulp)
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To: downtownconservative
Socialists will never maintain power in the freedom loving USA.

What do you call what we've been living under the past couple of decades?
That's the problem.
We've been like the proverbial frogs in the frying pan.
Obama would just turn up the heat a little more.

Don't believe me?
What exactly was the bailout all about?

25 posted on 10/23/2008 11:00:58 PM PDT by XR7
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To: KDD

Someone else might know better, but I think it depends on whether the father is an American citizen whether your grandchild will be considered a natural born citizen. I believe Mitt Romney was born in Mexico, but both his parents were US citizens, therefore, he is considered a natural born US citizen.


26 posted on 10/23/2008 11:01:42 PM PDT by FFranco
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To: Klepto

All Obama has to do is present genuine evidence, and this issue will go away. It’s very simple.

We’re still waiting.


27 posted on 10/23/2008 11:01:43 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Klepto; All

Well, Klepto, I see you’ve only been a Freeper for 6 days. Isn’t the DU missing you about now.

Go home troll.


28 posted on 10/23/2008 11:03:21 PM PDT by no dems ("Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice...." Barry Goldwater)
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To: KDD
You daughter can get a certificate of American Citizen Born Abroad from the local US Consul.

Whether your grandkid would be eligible to be President and CIC some day is not clearly defined at this point. Not all citizens are, only 'natural born citizens' qualify.

What exactly that turn of phrase means is the topic of a rather lively debate at the moment...

29 posted on 10/23/2008 11:03:52 PM PDT by null and void (Socialism doesn't work because of people./People don't work because of socialism...)
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To: dsc

Not true in 1961.


30 posted on 10/23/2008 11:04:38 PM PDT by 3D-JOY
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To: dsc

to be president you must be a NATURAL BORN citizen. Unless they were born in military territories, they can’t be president. That’s the constitution and the law.


31 posted on 10/23/2008 11:04:48 PM PDT by Marie2 (Everything the left does has the effect and intent of destroying the traditional family.)
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To: downtownconservative

You see the big picture. :-)


32 posted on 10/23/2008 11:06:11 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
All Obama has to do is present genuine evidence, and this issue will go away. It’s very simple.

All attorney Berg has to do is present some real evidence.
We're stil waiting.
Oh yeah.
It's a "recorded phonecall."
Illegal, unless the grandmother gave explicit consent.
Assuming such a recording actually exists.

BTW: Remember "Baghdad Jim" McDermott?

33 posted on 10/23/2008 11:07:42 PM PDT by XR7
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To: downtownconservative
If Biden, then, becomes POTUS, he will be holding on for dear life for his four year term.

And who would be Veep???

Biden will leave office one way or another on 21 Jan 2010. Hillary!™ will finish his term and still be eligible for two more full terms of her very own...

34 posted on 10/23/2008 11:09:37 PM PDT by null and void (Socialism doesn't work because of people./People don't work because of socialism...)
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To: XR7

You miss the point: If proven that he does not meet the Constitutional criteria BEFORE the Election, all votes cast for him means Biden becomes President if the ticket wins. Same applies if they win and it is proven AFTER the election. NOW, HERE’S THE RUB....

If this is proven BEFORE the election, and his supporters know that he will not sit in the Oval Office but Biden will, they will be so demoralized and depressed they will not show up to vote just to put another old, white guy in office. Can you say “President McCain”?


35 posted on 10/23/2008 11:09:39 PM PDT by no dems ("Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice...." Barry Goldwater)
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To: no dems

Thanks for expressing my feelings!


36 posted on 10/23/2008 11:10:40 PM PDT by 3D-JOY
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To: FFranco
I believe Mitt Romney was born in Mexico

Could you be thinking of his father Governor George Romney ?

37 posted on 10/23/2008 11:11:07 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know F/8 Cav)
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To: Texas4ever

Not a chance.


38 posted on 10/23/2008 11:11:25 PM PDT by no dems ("Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice...." Barry Goldwater)
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To: XR7

The onus is on Obama. The issue will not go away for Obama.


39 posted on 10/23/2008 11:12:48 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: dsc

His father was NOT a U.S. citizen serving in another country in the military. Same rules do NOT apply.


40 posted on 10/23/2008 11:12:52 PM PDT by no dems ("Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice...." Barry Goldwater)
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To: no dems

Can you say “race riots”?


41 posted on 10/23/2008 11:14:06 PM PDT by XR7
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To: XR7

Your point is well taken, but I, personally, refuse to give in to the seeming tide of acceptance of socialistic ideals. And I expect my conservative friends and associates to be, likewise, resistant to such a disastrous course.


42 posted on 10/23/2008 11:14:35 PM PDT by downtownconservative (Intelligence sans reason is vainglorious pulp)
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To: Klepto
“Pity we can’t focus on facts”

Hey, We're not libtards, we can do more than one thing at a time.

I think we should concentrate on whether this Muslim is qualified to run for President of the United States of America. This is no small matter, Skippy.

43 posted on 10/23/2008 11:14:57 PM PDT by scratcher (I trust the media about as much as I trust al Qaeda.)
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To: no dems

Before the election DNC might choose Hillary/Biden and after the election...electors might choose Hillary/Biden! After the inauguration it becomes Biden choosing a VP. So now we have Biden/Hillary.

Pelosi just sits and hopes they both are not chosen. She is next in line. LOL


44 posted on 10/23/2008 11:16:17 PM PDT by 3D-JOY
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To: KDD
Wasn't Obama’s mother an American citizen from Kansas?

Yes, but I think she was a resident of Hawaii when she got knocked up by a FOREIGN NATIONALIST at the age of 17.

She allegedly had her child at 18. The laws at the time *\(paraphrased) stated that to confer citizenship, one had to have been a legal resident of the USA for 10 years (I think), 5 of which had to be after the age of 14. IOW, his mother would have had to be 19 to pass on citizenship.

45 posted on 10/23/2008 11:16:23 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Klepto
It’s just that I was a trial lawyer and judge for 40 years and, though of course I could be wrong, from what I have found on this issue it looks ludicrous.

It is intriguing and irresistible to to think there could be some crazy twist in the plot where the good guys win. I feel euphoric desperation with each new turn of the birth certificate story. Your observation is keeping me within the reach of reason. My obsession with the birth certificate story might be related to my lack of confidence that we might achieve a conventional victory this election.

46 posted on 10/23/2008 11:17:16 PM PDT by Zevonismymuse
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To: dsc

Obama mother was a minor when she gave birth to Obama and the father was a foreign national. If Obama was born overseas, his mother failed the test according to the law in place at the time, and therefore, Obama did not meet the U.S. Constitutional requirement to be a ‘natural born’ citizen.


47 posted on 10/23/2008 11:17:49 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

If Obama wins this election, I can only pray that I’m right. This is a rubicon moment for America. God save us! God bless America!


48 posted on 10/23/2008 11:19:48 PM PDT by downtownconservative (Intelligence sans reason is vainglorious pulp)
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To: Just A Nobody
Yes, but I think she was a resident of Hawaii when she got knocked up by a FOREIGN NATIONALIST at the age of 17.

Very close, she was almost exactly 18 years and 9 months old when she delivered Obama, Jr.

I have a pretty good idea of what she got for an 18th birthday present...

49 posted on 10/23/2008 11:20:13 PM PDT by null and void (Socialism doesn't work because of people./People don't work because of socialism...)
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To: null and void

“I have a pretty good idea of what she got for an 18th birthday present... “

LOL!, You know she did :)


50 posted on 10/23/2008 11:22:33 PM PDT by scratcher (I trust the media about as much as I trust al Qaeda.)
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