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An economical battery of guns for the backwoods home
Backwoods Home ^ | 10-27-08 | Massad Ayoob

Posted on 10/28/2008 6:05:08 PM PDT by SJackson

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To: ctdonath2
What does the XD do that a Glock doesn't?

The XD45 will fire lead bullets without voiding the warranty. A Glock won't.

101 posted on 10/29/2008 10:36:39 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: gundog
Yeah...1911's more so. :)

Ahhhhhh. Now you've done it.

102 posted on 10/29/2008 10:39:03 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: P8riot
An interesting but marginal difference, mattering only to those few using lead ball exclusively.

General sentiment:

A fellow Officer friend has shot close to 250,000 rounds of lead cast bullets through his Glock 9mm in the past 10 years doing competition shooting. The secret...just clean your barrel out after about 100-200 rounds, so the lead doesn't build up.

The warranty bit is largely a CYA. Yes, the nonstandard rifling somewhat precludes using lead ball, but it can still be managed with ease.

Anything else of note? Anyone? Beuller?

103 posted on 10/29/2008 10:52:32 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (I AM JOE THE PLUMBER!)
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To: Boiling point
“I have always suspected that a G17 barrel would fit in a G19 and protrude in front of the slide. If for example one had a need for room to add threads to the end of the barrel. Will they interchange?”

Technically yes the mounting system for the barrels is at the base end under and before the chamber they are identical in form, would i recommend doing it no, the action of a recoil operated semiauto pistol is controlled by the mass of the slide and spring tension, but for the first few of mm of travel the slide and barrel recoil locked together then the barrel pivots down to unlock and allow the slide to continue rearward cycling the action, the added mass of the longer barrel will most likely mess up the harmonics of this cycle, changing the recoil spring to a slightly lighter one would probably eliminate this problem though.

104 posted on 10/29/2008 11:02:28 AM PDT by JDinAustin (Austinite in the Big D)
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To: ctdonath2
"As for the “racking sound scares ‘em� comment: " WHY IS YOUR WEAPON UNLOADED WHEN FACED WITH MORTAL DANGER! there shouting off, seriously why would one go into a life or death situation with an unloaded gun? The idea to "scare" someone means you are not mentally capable of taking a life and as such should not be carrying a gun in that situation, it will only be taken from u as you hesitate to rack and "scare" the person. The only sound a perp would hear entering my house is Saint Peter asking him how he lived his life. his companion would hear a BOOM and the splatting sound of brains spraying the wall behind his now dead partner in crime. At inside the house distances my Glocks with Trijicons hit apple sized targets 19 for 19 times in the twilight. practice practice practice, shoot in low light situations from barricaded low ready because you fight like your train. shoot smaller targets than you need to hit in real life too so you have margin of error for that panic rush or if you have a doctor Friend have them get you some adrenal syringe's and shoot after a injection of adrenaline practice stress fire. When I was an MP we would use injected adrenaline to produce stress fire conditions after running for 500 meters to get to the firing line, it really is amazing how much stress fire will affect your aim so practice it.
105 posted on 10/29/2008 11:13:19 AM PDT by JDinAustin (Austinite in the Big D)
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To: Harry Wurzbach; MtnClimber
You may want to try other guns you can rent too. A 357 magnum revolver can shoot 38 special ammo as well and reliability is usually better than with a semi-auto pistol.

I'll echo 'Climbers comment here. When my wife decided she needed a CCW we went with a J-frame .38 due to her experience level and weak grip. I retired my autoloader for a J-frame 357 and carry with magnum Hydroshocks. When traveling together I retain the magnums but we stock our speedloaders with 38+P Hydroshocks since both revolvers can use the common rounds.

106 posted on 10/29/2008 11:17:19 AM PDT by LTCJ (God Save the Constitution - Tar/Feathers '08)
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To: ctdonath2
The question was, What does the XD do that a Glock doesn't?

The other answers I could think of.

The XD grip fits my hand better than the Glock.
The XD uses steel mags instead of plastic.
The XD take-down is simpler.
XDs are a little more affordable too.

Being a 1911 guy, I like the idea of the grip safety, but think the execution in the XD could've been done better.

107 posted on 10/29/2008 11:18:31 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: P8riot

“Fits my hand better” is about the only compelling argument I see, and that’s a matter of personal taste over alleged obselesence.

Don’t get me wrong, I think the XD is a fine tool if you prefer it. I just get antsy when someone bashes the Glock as “obsolete” when it is only marginally different from the latest-and-greatest. (And yes, if someone CAN show me a downright superior tool, I certainly want to know about it.)


108 posted on 10/29/2008 11:24:22 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (I AM JOE THE PLUMBER!)
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To: autumnraine

I asked my hubby how much ammo we had...don’t really feel at risk where I live, but still, better to be ready first....


109 posted on 10/29/2008 11:24:50 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: ctdonath2

“A fellow Officer friend has shot close to 250,000 rounds of lead cast bullets through his Glock 9mm in the past 10 years doing competition shooting. The secret...just clean your barrel out after about 100-200 rounds, so the lead doesn’t build up.”

I shoot lead no problems with my Glocks too, the polygonal rifling does lead up some but a couple of passes of a bruch and some breakfree does the trick every 50-100 rounds, i have never had a case experence pressure signs using cast lead at SAMII or lower pressures. I would never use cast lead in a gun battle so the 50 round limit is a none issue. I also shoot steel jacketed FMJ rounds down the same barrels being polygonal rifling there is not lands to wear off using hard jacketed rounds and steal jacketed rounds will make a soft armor jackboot think twice about coming over to play. If you can still find them steel cored brass jacketed rounds with black tips work just as well but they are getting hare to find as they were imported and Krinton stoped the imports of those kinds of ammo. In short polygonal rifling will give tens of thousands of rounds of service some thing like 5 times the number of rounds a traditional land and grove barrel will, higher velocities at equal pressures too as the bullet is not swagered in to the lands only pressure formed to the outside shaple of a hexagon.


110 posted on 10/29/2008 11:25:27 AM PDT by JDinAustin (Austinite in the Big D)
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To: JDinAustin

A more emphatic way of making my point. Ping the initial poster.


111 posted on 10/29/2008 11:30:20 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (I AM JOE THE PLUMBER!)
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To: ctdonath2

I agree that point is subjective. I don’t consider Glocks obsolete. Their just not for everybody. Neither are 1911s, to each their own. Carry and shoot what works best for you, but there is no point in carrying something you hate, unless it is, of course, department policy. Then you had better get used to it, or lobby the department to allow other options.


112 posted on 10/29/2008 11:34:16 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: P8riot

Oops! Their = They’re


113 posted on 10/29/2008 11:39:17 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: JDinAustin

Informative, thanks.


114 posted on 10/29/2008 11:39:17 AM PDT by FTL
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To: LTCJ

My wife can’t rack the slide on any of my semi-autos. I got her a 357 magnum and keep it loaded with 38+P. She isn’t interested in concealed carry, she just relies on me for that. She doesn’t stop to think that I am not always there.


115 posted on 10/29/2008 1:14:47 PM PDT by MtnClimber (http://www.jeffhead.com/obama/nobamanation-sticker.jpg)
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To: MtnClimber
My wife has the same problem - weak grip from a shoulder injury keeps her from racking.
She doesn't carry as often as she should IMO. She has the mindset to use it - just to lazy to carry the weight/bulk. She's going to next week, though, if I have to superglue it into her hand.
116 posted on 10/29/2008 1:28:20 PM PDT by LTCJ (God Save the Constitution - Tar/Feathers '08)
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