Schwarzenegger, Stallone team up today (Conan the Barbarian & Rocky say Vote YES on Prop. 11)

Sac Bee ^ | 10/30/08 | Capitol Alert

[NormsRevenge]

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger teams up with former business partner (in Planet Hollywood) and actor Sylvester Stallone for a fundraiser tonight in La Jolla.

The money goes toward passing Proposition 11, the redistricting measure on the Nov. 4 ballot.

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Chairs of the events (those who give $25,000) get two seats at the head table, 10 dinner tickets and two photos each for two people with Schwarzenegger and Stallone.

[NRA2BFree]

I’m not familiar with prop 11. Is this good or bad?

[DoughtyOne]

You’ll have to read the fine print to see who it is that will be defining the new districts. If it is a Democrat or Democrat appointee, it will probably make things worse.

I’m pinging CalCowGirl. She is usually very insightful on these matters.

[calcowgirl]

I’m voting NO, but I think I’m in the minority.
FWIW, it’s not as awful as some of the other ones that I have tried to expose.

Here are some prior posts from newzjunkey, amerigomag, and me.

Helps moderates (hurts conservatives):
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2107138/posts?page=8#8

Lefties supporting the measure:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2107138/posts?page=6#6

manipulated, convoluted:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2107334/posts?page=26#26

Doesn’t include Congressional districts—Lefty districts get more protection through Voters Rights Act and “communities of interest”:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2110868/posts?page=31#31

Moves process further from the public eye by giving to specially selected (unelected) group:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2110868/posts?page=53#53

[calcowgirl]

Bill Lockyer just jumped on the bandwagon of supporters today.

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks. I was afraid of that.

In truth it would be nice if our districts were revised to allow for a more fair representation. In this climate, that’s a near impossibility.

If the initiative had merit, Schwarzenegger wouldn’t be for it. That should have been my first tip-off.

[calcowgirl]

Oops... I accidentally left you off of that ping.

Prop 11 is a redistricting measure, a Constitutional Amendment. It takes the responsibility for drawing district lines away from the legislature and gives it to a commission. It affects only State districts (State Senate, Assembly, and BOE)--NOT Congressional districts.

While this proposition may make things slightly better, I think it takes away the chance that a good measure will pass anywhere in the near future. The problem is not WHO draws district lines, imo, but HOW they draw them. This prop doesn't do anything to firm up the how side of the equation... it deals strictly with who draws them. One could argue that it actually gives more protection to lefty groups by expressly recognizing in the Constitution such things as "communities of interest" in drawing districts. Also, the same legislature that they are trying to eject from the process is very much involved in the selection of the proposed commission. Until such time as districts are drawn in accordance with strict criteria (e.g. using mathematical models based on population and geography with no preference to culture, ideology, etc), I don't see much benefit in redistricting changes, especially when they move them farther from the public eye. I'd prefer that folks be accountable to the people and be subject to removal if they do not act accordingly.

[Petronski]

What’s Prop 11, some kind of funding to remediate speech pathologies?

[calcowgirl]

There is a mixed bag of supporters. On the Pro-side, they have some support from the ACLU, Common Cause, and other lefty groups. But then again, they have Coupal and the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Assoc, also. Arnie and Lockyer are on the pro-side—but so is McClintock.

Likewise, on the NO-on-11 side, you have a bunch of Democratic clubs opposing it and a host of non-partisan folks. The CA GOP has “no position” on the measure.

This thread had some good comments, and prior threads keyworded as “Prop 11”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2114497/posts?page=22#22

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks for the additional thoughts. Your logic sounds reasoned to me here. The how not who, was in particular a good point IMO.

[NormsRevenge]

Bill and his MALDEF wife.. ggeeesshhh

2010 is gonna be a real hoot, huh,, a bunch of old dems running for Gub...

[DoughtyOne]

I generally tend to vote down initiatives where there are no clear lines being drawn, pardon the pun. If this is a mixed bag, and the support seems to indicate that, then I’m going to have to take a pass. Your initial comments made sense, and seeing this doesn’t convince me to alter my thoughts.

[calcowgirl]

My prior conclusion on Prop 11:

This race has the Bloomberg/Buffett types against the SEIU/LaRaza types.
Either way, ordinary voters are screwed, IMO.

[calex59]

As good a reason as any to vote against it.

[NormsRevenge]

If the initiative had merit, Schwarzenegger wouldn’t be for it. That should have been my first tip-off.

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No comment.. (Do I have to send the box of cigars back? (I wanted beer.))

AARP is supporting it too. Is that Stelllla in the distance I hear warbling 8-?

[DoughtyOne]

As an ordinary voter, I take offense to that. ;-)

[DoughtyOne]

Ged ouda here... ;-)

Well, if the AARP is for it, that seals it. no sale

[NormsRevenge]

This race has the Bloomberg/Buffett types against the SEIU/LaRaza types.

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The Fatcats v. Thugs&Racists ,, Oh joy.

[DoughtyOne]

Yes, just what we need ‘the people’ teaming up with ‘THE PEOPLE’.

I guess that leaves us white middle class folks out.

[calcowgirl]

Two power groups fighting for control of the process.
Neither give a darn about what the voters think.
They both know what is best for all of us peasants.