Posted on 10/30/2008 7:06:07 PM PDT by goldstategop
Polls continue to slide for No on Prop 8 Equity for All, as reports leak out that the campaign’s management structure is in utter disarray. A series of orchestrated, factually false press statements have been issued alleging the sky will fall if Proposition 8 passes on Tuesday.
“Clearly, this is nothing more than a floundering campaign grasping at straws to save its effort,” said Chip White, Protectmarriage.com – Yes on 8 campaign spokesman. “It’s quite sad because those who are hurt most are voters. We invited the No on Prop 8 campaign to debate Proposition 8 this weekend in a live, televised format, but it declined our invitation. If the No campaign is so confident in its arguments, why refuse the debate?”
Claims reporting Proposition 8 has nothing to do with schools, to Proposition 8 will cause a high-tech brain drain, are being passed off as fact. These claims are nothing but noisy rhetoric and last minute campaign stunts aimed at confusing voters instead of educating them.
Claim One: Proposition 8 has nothing to do with schools.
Truth: A few weeks ago children in a 1st grade class attended their teacher’s gay wedding in San Francisco on a school-organized field trip. The principal called it a “teachable moment.” That sure sounds like same-sex marriage instruction in schools.
This week kindergartners at Faith Ringgold School of Arts and Science in Hayward, CA, were asked to sign pledge cards saying they would not use anti-LGBT language. Parents who felt their children were far too young for such a discussion, most at an average age of 5 who are just learning the basics of reading and writing, were not permitted to opt-out, but instead had to keep their children home from school.
As we have clearly demonstrated, California Education Code Section 51933 states schools “shall teach respect for marriage and committed relationships.” According to the California Department of Education website, 96% of schools teach this curriculum. And under the Supreme Court’s ruling, current California law means teaching about marriage includes instruction on gay marriage. Thus, gay marriage is already part of the curriculum. Perhaps because of these simple facts, Superintendent of Public Instruction Jack O’Connell refuses to debate..
Claim Two: Proposition 8 would have no effect on a church’s tax-exempt status.
Truth: The No on 8 campaign used a classic lawyer trick, rolled out a group of lawyers yesterday to falsely state our concern about the impact of same sex marriage on religious freedoms, and then saying our concerns are false. For the record, the Yes on 8 campaign has never said that churches, acting as churches, would be forced to perform gay marriages. However, it is clear that where churches interact with the public square, in providing social services or even conducting business, their tax exempt status is at risk.
In one well publicized case, Catholic Charities in Boston ran adoption facilities that managed 700 cases since 1987, most involving children with special needs. Catholic Charities placed such children into parents in traditional marriages, according to their faith. After gay marriage was legalized in Massachusetts, the state told Catholic Charities it had to place children with gay marriage couples as well. Faced with such a decision, Catholic Charities reluctantly decided to stop providing adoption services.
Another religious non-profit, Ocean Grove Campground in New Jersey, lost a portion of its tax-exempt status on a rental pavilion because it refused to rent the facility to a lesbian couple for a civil commitment ceremony.
Claim Three: Proposition 8 discriminates against gays and lesbians.
Truth: Under California’s current domestic partnership law, (Family Code Section 297), gay couples are awarded the same legal rights and privileges as married couples. California has the strongest civil union/domestic partnership law in the nation, and Proposition 8 does not take away any of those rights.
Claim Four: If Proposition 8 passes there will be a brain drain to gay-friendly Massachusetts.
Truth: Gay marriage has been legal in Massachusetts for five years and California still remains the epicenter of technology, biomed and other science-based industries. If a “gay brain-drain” was going to happen, shouldn’t it have started 5 years ago?
“The claims being disseminated by the No on 8 campaign are preposterous,” said White, “and have no basis in fact. We realize the No on 8 has a new team that has to justify their hiring, but cheap campaign stunts and false claims do not serve the public.”
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
This will fall.
There’s a similar proposition in Arizona, and the opposing ads have all been pretty snarky, calling it a “distraction” from the “real issues”. Like it takes more than 5 seconds to vote “yes”.
I’m surprised the gays hasn’t resorted to the race card. The key to bringing down Prop 8 lies in black and Latino Obama supporters. Pro-Obama whites are voting no on Prop 8. Pro-McPalin whites are voting yes on Prop 8. Pro-Obama Black and Latinos are voting yes on Prop 8.
Typical liberal losers. These freaks think they are going to change American heritage and culture to promote and force their queer perversion on our society and our youngsters.
Let them all move to San Freakcisco and sodomize each other into oblivion. Keep away from our kids!!!!
The California State Superintendent of Education, Jack O’Connell, is appearing in No on Prop 8 commercials. He is claiming that Prop 8 has nothing at all to do with education. This is a huge lie, and he knows damn well it is. We already know that from what is happening in Mass. Plus, even now, the state is forcing gay/lesbian education down the throats of school districts. I can guarantee you that when Prop 8 passes, these slime balls like O’Connell will still attempt to push their propaganda down our throats. Having an Irish last name, makes me wonder if O’Connell is Catholic. If so, he is sure is not adhering to the teaching of the Catholic Church.
Needless to say look what they did to the Boy Scouts with their never ending push to destroy them for their position not making the kids targets for Gay Scout Leaders.
I am sorry for your loss. I know where you are coming from.
I think California is moving in the right direction with the Domestic Partnership laws. I would think it would be even better if they got out of the marriage business altogether, and let people do what they want, and let organizations and churches form their own policies.
If California is in the business of promoting marriage, it will eventually be in the business of promoting gay marriage. They just can’t help themselves.
the judges should be thrown off the benches they sit on right now.
For these clowns the only real issue is how fast to steal money from the "ruling white majority" and give it to a bunch of drooling morons.
I had to do some internet searching to find what poll they are talking about. I was concerned because there are so many more no-on-8 ads on tv, thanks to Hollywood money, and the entire left wing power structure in the state is attacking prop 8 night and day with free sympathetic media. The local news channel just said most of the money for prop 8 is coming from out of state interests like the Knights of Columbus and the Mormon Church. Truth is 99% of the Mormon money is coming from California citizens. It’s the no on 8 getting far more big bucks from out of state and foreign contries.
Turns out the internal polls of the Yes on 8 campaign show a dead heat 48-48 but the campaign manager is very optimistic for two reasons:
1) traditional marriage initiatives do on average 7% better on election day than polls indicate because some people are reluctant to tell pollsters they support it.
2) One of the largest get out the vote efforts ever, with up to 100,000 people, will make sure our supporters get to the polls.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
I do appreciate how the Yes on 8 guys are just about reading my mind on the follow-up ads...but pretty please, a couple more of the one with Gavin Newsom?
Donate to PROP 8, piss off Barack, Joe, Arnold, Nancy, Gavin, and Hollywood. Sounds like a winner to me.
Here’s a link to the article I found. Never posted a link before so hopefully it’s a hot link:
http://culture11.com/blogs/credo/2008/10/30/proposition-8-the-inside-scoop/?from=blog
Latest poll results are?
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
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