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To: Salvation; All
Okay at the risk of offending a lot of Freepers here's my take on this whole Catholic thing. I'm frankly baffled by all of this. The contradictions are incredible. This fellow Salvation claims most Americans are pro-life. Bull. Where is the evidence of this? Site the studies. Okay I'm pro life but I'm not dumb enough to think I'm in the majority. The majority of people are pro choice. I have a lot of friends and the overwhelming number of them are pro-choice. This drives me crazy.
The Catholic church has been at the forefront of so many left and even far left issues that I lost count. We need a separation of Church and State. Glad I'm a Protestant.
11 posted on 11/06/2008 1:04:37 AM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: truthguy

You forget that most in America is center-right. Plus I am happy to be Catholic as it is the mother church of all the other Christian churches.


14 posted on 11/06/2008 2:05:32 AM PST by Biggirl (Throw The Bums OUT!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: truthguy

The Catholic Church is much more conserivitve then given credit for.


18 posted on 11/06/2008 4:44:11 AM PST by Biggirl (Throw The Bums OUT!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: truthguy
The Catholic Church is glad you're a protestant as well. We already have enough souls like you cluttering up the pews, albeit only at Christmas and Easter.

By the way Einstein, Salvation is a gal not a fellow.

19 posted on 11/06/2008 4:57:54 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: truthguy; Salvation
This fellow Salvation claims most Americans are pro-life. Bull. Where is the evidence of this? Site the studies. Okay I'm pro life but I'm not dumb enough to think I'm in the majority. The majority of people are pro choice. I have a lot of friends and the overwhelming number of them are pro-choice. This drives me crazy.

First off, Salvation is a lovely, retired older woman who I did have the privilege to meet once. She's very dedicated to what she does here and we thank her.

Second, there are studies out there that do support the claim that the vast majority of Americans are to some extent pro-life. They do not, however, vote with pro-life as their primary issue. As far as friends are concerned, it depends on who you know. I've been rather stunned to find like-minded people in some very strange places. The difference is, we have knowledge of not simply the baby-killing but what it does to women. Stop by the websites for Rachel's Vineyard or Project Rachel sometime. Roe v. Wade was one of the single worst acts to ever happen regarding the dignity of women and most people out there have no clue.

27 posted on 11/06/2008 5:20:55 AM PST by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue (I choose virtue. Values change too often).)
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To: truthguy

The problem I have with your post is contained in your first sentence. I am a Roman Catholic. I don’t describe it as a “Catholic thing” and non-Catholics who do are just ignorant. Shame on you.


28 posted on 11/06/2008 5:35:15 AM PST by Fudd Fan (The ballot box is gone and the soap box is next. It's midnight in America.)
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To: truthguy
The majority of people are pro choice. I have a lot of friends and the overwhelming number of them are pro-choice. This drives me crazy.

Poll after poll has proven that the vast majority of Americans are not in favor of abortion on demand for any reason through all nine months of pregnancy, which is effectively what we have today in the US.

The number of people who actually agree with Obama on abortion (no parental consent, no conscience clauses, let babies who survive die of neglect) is well below 20%.

29 posted on 11/06/2008 5:37:28 AM PST by Campion (Impeach Obama Now!)
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To: truthguy

The reason why Father Frank Pavone made the statement in this article that a majority of Americans are pro-life is because it is true that a majority of Americans support restrictions on abortion. A majority are not absolutely and purely pro-life in terms of advocating no abortion under any circumstances, but they are pro-life to some degree.

Even a recent NBC News poll (obviously biased) finds that only 25% of Americans believe that abortion should always be legal. Pew Research found the number was only 17%: http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm Father Frank discusses why even these polls are most likely slanted toward the pro-abortion side here: http://www.priestsforlife.org/columns/columns2001/01-12-17pollthepolls.htm


37 posted on 11/06/2008 7:12:10 AM PST by Elvina (The average IQ in America is 100. Half are operating in the double-digits --as seen last Tuesday.)
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To: truthguy
Evidently you did not see this list?

Over 100 Bishops Have Spoken Out on Priority of Life Issues
Posted on October 28, 2008, 11:59 AM | Deal W. Hudson
The list of U. S. bishops who have spoken out on the priority of the life issues in this election is now over 100. The list now contains 70 individual bishops and three joint statements.
I would like to continue updating this list until the day of the election. I have tried to incorporate all the comments thus far. If I dd not get them all, I apologize. (For a few of the suggestions, I could not find a suitable link.)
Please continue using the comments section to let us know what bishop is not on this list who should be. This would include any bishop who has individually, or jointly, published a statement about this election pointing out the primacy of the life issues.
Thank you for your help.
1. Archbishop Charles Chaput of Denver
2. Bishop James Conley, auxiliary of Denver
3. Archbishop Donald Wuerl of Washington, D.C.
4. Justin Cardinal Rigali of Philadelphia, chairman of the Committee on Pro-Life Activities
5. Bishop William Lori of Bridgeport, chairman of the Committee on Doctrine
6. Edward Cardinal Egan of New York
7. Bishop Samuel Aquila of Fargo
8. Bishop David Zubik of Pittsburgh
9. Bishop Michael Sheridan of Colorado Springs
10. Archbishop Jose Gomez of San Antonio
11. Bishop Oscar Cantu, auxiliary of San Antonio
12. Bishop William Murphy of Rockville Centre
13. Bishop Edward Slattery of Tulsa
14. Bishop Kevin Farrell of Dallas
15. Bishop Gregory Aymond of Austin
16. Sean Cardinal O'Malley of Boston
17. Bishop Thomas Wenski of Orlando
18. Archbishop John Nienstedt of Saint Paul/Minneapolis
19. Francis Cardinal George of Chicago, President of the USCCB
20. Bishop Robert Vasa of Baker
21. Bishop Jerome Listecki of La Crosse
22. Bishop Richard Lennon of Cleveland
23. Bishop Ralph Nickless of Sioux City
24. Archbishop George Niederauer of San Francisco
25. Bishop Glen Provost of Lake Charles, LA
26. Bishop Nicholas DiMarzio of Brooklyn
27. Bishop Joseph F. Martino of Scranton
28. Archbishop Raymond Burke, Prefect of the Apostolic Signatura
30. Bishop Peter J. Jugis of Charlotte
31. Bishop Michael F. Burbidge of Raleigh
32. Archbishop Joseph Naumann of Kansas City, KS
33. Bishop Robert Finn of Kansas City-St. Joseph, MO
34. Bishop Robert C. Morlino of Madison, WS
35. Bishop Ronald
Gilmore of Dodge City, KS
36. Bishop Paul
Coakley of Salina, KS
37. Bishop Michael
Jackels of Wichita
38. Bishop Gerald M.
Barbarito of Palm Beach
39. Bishop Kevin W.
Vann of Fort Worth
40. Bishop Rene H. Gracida, retired, of Corpus Christi
41. Daniel Cardinal DiNardo of Houston
42. Bishop Paul S. Loverde of Arlington
43. Bishop Francis X. DiLorenzo of Richmond
44. Bishop William Murphy of Rockville Center
45. Bishop Robert McManus of Worcester
46. Bishop Arthur Serratelli of Patterson
47. Bishop Robert Herrmann of St. Louis
48. Archbishop Edwin O'Brien of Baltimore
49. Bishop Thomas J. Olmsted of Phoenix
50. Bishop Thomas D. Doran of Rockford
51. Bishop Joseph A. Galante of Camden
52. Bishop Robert J. Baker of Birmingham
53. Archbishop Alexander J. Brunett of Seattle
54. Bishop J. Peter Sartain of Joliet
55. Bishop John M. Smith of Trenton
56. Bishop Earl Boyea of Lansing
57. Bishop Leonard R. Blair of Toledo
58. Bishop Frances J. Dewane of Venice
59. Bishop W. Frances Malooly of Wilmington
60. Bishop Robert Morlino of Madison
61. Bishop John Yanta , retired, of Amarillo
62. Bishop James V. Johnston of Springfield-Cape Girardeau
63. Archbishop John Vlazny of Portland
64. Bishop Blase J. Cupich of Rapid City
65. Bishop Lawrence Brandt of Greensburg
66. Bishop Dennis M. Schnurr of Cincinatti
67. Bishop Larry Silva of Honolulu
68. Bishop Paul Swain of Sioux Falls
69. Bishop Michael J. Sheehan of Santa Fe
70. Bishop Eusebius Beltran of Oklahoma City
71. Bishop Kevin C. Rhoades of Harrisburg
72-94. Joint Statement by the bishops of New York State (22 bishops)
95-111. Joint Statement by the bishops of Pennsylvania (16 bishops)
112-116. Joint Statement by the bishops of Kansas (4 bishops)
117-126. Joint Statement by the bishops of Florida (9 bishops)
Added by me
 
127. Bishop Tobin -- http://www.catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=30333 ^
 
128. Archbishop Wilton Gregory  georgiabulletin.org ...
 
 
130. Archbishop Elden Curtiss Omaha http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2123119/posts?page=1
 
131. Bishop Carlson's of Michigan pastoral letter in full, go to:
http://www.saginaw.org/images/election-statement_carlson_102...

 

44 posted on 11/06/2008 9:03:06 AM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: truthguy
We need a separation of Church and State.

How is that going to help? It's so many people NOT voting their faith that is the problem already.

56 posted on 11/06/2008 4:48:40 PM PST by Americanchild
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