Skip to comments.Russian navy: 20 dead from poison in sub accident
Posted on 11/09/2008 4:31:13 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner
The fire safety system on a new Russian nuclear-powered submarine malfunctioned on a test run in the Sea of Japan, spewing chemicals that killed at least 20 people and injured 21 others, officials said Sunday.
It was Russia's worst naval accident since torpedo explosions sank another nuclear-powered submarine, the Kursk, in the Barents Sea in 2000, killing all 118 seamen aboard.
The victims died of poisoning from Freon gas that was released Saturday when the fire-extinguishing system accidentally turned on, said Sergei Markin, an official with Russia's top investigative agency.
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Sad thing for the Russians.
They’re lucky it did not occur at depth, or they would have lost another boat the King Neptune.
Actually this one was scheduled to be leased to the Indian navy. [ Wonder how that leasing works out]
“The Indian Navy has signed an agreement with Russia to lease a new Akula II submarine, SSN Nerpa, for ten years. The vessel is being completed at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur shipyard and is scheduled for delivery in late 2008.”
Note that the Nerpa was commissioned in December 2000
More forward torpedo room problems like the Kursk?
Freon 13B1 is also known as Halon 1301 and is used in fire suppression systems.
Is this the Interntional Crisis Biden was talking about?
Don’t the Russians know that freon is banned because it is a greenhouse gas and destroys the ozone! Where are the environazis when you need them...
Uhh, Freon isn’t poison- it’s an oxygen displacer. May not be much to choose from, but those poor guys suffocated.
Seems Dangerous to use in a fire.
“Burning Freon produces a nerve gas that was used to kill troops in World War I. EPA spokeswoman Tina Kreisher said Monday that the supply below the twin towers appears to be in no danger of igniting.”
I’ve always said that Russians are only a good, competent military when you’re inside their borders....the exception being World War II (mainly because they wanted revenge against the Germans). Now, if they designed a Nuclear sub to roam the Black Sea, they could make it perfectly stealthy.
Without oxygen the fire doesn’t burn so the threat of decomposition goes away.
Too bad the USSR didn’t send their *navy* in to invade democratic,harmless,tiny Georgia last summer.Maybe the death count would have including fewer innocents and more aggressors.
I have always had the feeling that my destiny was to be at sea on a sub, I have tons of books, novels and last year I built a 52” model of a Gato class US sub, thats a WW2 submarine that was one class before the one used in the movie with Cary Grant, the pink one.
My heart reaches out to fellow sailors with no animosity at all. The Russians have not had good luck these last few years with their naval forces.
how do you think our Space Shuttle crews feel about it?
Prolly mean 40 are dead.
But what purpose would *that* serve? Tiny neighboring nations....ones with oil or major oil pipelines wouldn't be frightened by *that*.And the cowering scumbags populating western and central Europe whould have no need to shout "anything you say,Ivan...just don't shut off our gas supplies".
Boy are they in trouble now Al Gore is going to have a talk with them
I saw that when I was a kid. Yes, the Russians have had some bad luck-- my whole family, except for me, were sailors of some sort.
No, that's going to involve stealing the wealth of individuals, a national curfew, and a police state. Maybe not so international at first, at least until Obama's "allies" join in to help crush the uprising from US citizens that won't stand for the new fascism bestown upon them.
If any states cede from the union, it could be more internation quicker than you suggest. (smile).
I’m not sure how you define poison. I’ve been involved in a massive freon leak aboard a submarine, and it was handled as a “Poison Gas” event. Many of the crew inhaled enough of the freon to make them very sick. Fortunately, none of us died in the incident.
New? its am Akula II
WORLDS MOST DANGEROUS JOBS: Fishing boats in the Bering Sea from Alaska. Nuke sub crewman on Soviet subs.
Terrible for the sailors/submariners and their families.
I’ve been in a computer room when the Halon 1301 balls opened and let loose. I’m not sure I would have made it out of the room in time, but for a co-worker with really long legs who assisted me.
It would be a very frightening way to die.
Thanks, I couldn’t remember the name of the movie.
The Russkies can build something bigger than us, they can build a LOT cheaply and basic,it was that lack of close tolerances that made firearms like the AK47 excell in battlefield conditions.
Their subs will do the job and the diesels nowadays can be quite stealthy, and as we all know from the movie The Hunt for Red October they can be massive in firepower. The Akula class is a formidable hunter/killer sub and they have built a full titanium hulled sub.
But in trying to compete with the US they in time pretty much bankrupted themselves, many subs are sunk at dock and I do not think they have any Typhoon class operational.
Is it true that the fire extinguishing system was made in China?
They didn't have them would be my guess.
Good men died, let us pray for their families.
I'm in favor of letting things unfold a bit, but if (and that's a big IF) they go the way I fear, I will gladly report for duty with the state(s) that seceed.
I thought they outlawed Halon because it destroys the O-zone layer?
Most folks do not know of an incident on a Russian sub off the Carolina coast that had a reactor meltdown. Some very brave heros died keeping it from blowing and taking out a large part of our coast.
Prayers for the families. My father adopted four boys whose father had died on the USS Oriskany and I caught a glimpse of how hard a tragedy like this affects children and wives. I pray God provides for these families and comforts them.
Yes thats rather strange, on subs even old old ones there are breathable air manifold fittings all through theboats that you can plug into similar to a mechanics shop air tool plug that they can breath off of.
There is more to the story of course that we won’t really hear about, it could actually be something similar to the Kursk in that they were testing something new and it blew up on them.
The Akula class carry up to 12 Granat submarine launched cruise missiles.
Granat has a range of about 3000 km and delivers a 200 kiloton warhead .
No, you will not need to ask that question when it comes.
All submariners share a common bond and enemy, the sea. My prayers for the lost.
Of course one has compassion for families of the submariners who died.
However, I love these Russian “weapons”. They’re more a threat to their users than to their perceived enemies. Seem to malfunction on a regular basis. I hope they sell a lot of them to the third world.
Leased? Does that come complete with arsenal?
Because of the closed atmosphere on subs you have emergency breathing masks that plug into a set of air banks. Donning masks should be automatically done by everyone within seconds.
It is about the first thing that a submariner learns how to do.
Don't forget US astronaut.
I’m guessing that it was Halon, not Freon. When Freon is heated to a high temperature (the cherry end of a cigarette is hot enough to do it), it breaks down into phosgene, which is a nerve gas. Not a good feature for a fire-suppression system.
I hate it for them as well... but I’m also taking into consideration that their sabre rattling as of late is directed straight at the good ol’ US of A.
Guaranteed that any failures of the military of other countries is seen as a learning opportunity for our military for possible future use. It’s also an extreme possibility that the cause of the “poisoning” was not as advertised. We’ll never know.
As a former sailor I pray for their souls...
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