The Climate for Change [By AL GORE......]

New York Times ^

[Sub-Driver]

The Climate for Change By AL GORE

THE inspiring and transformative choice by the American people to elect Barack Obama as our 44th president lays the foundation for another fateful choice that he — and we — must make this January to begin an emergency rescue of human civilization from the imminent and rapidly growing threat posed by the climate crisis.

The electrifying redemption of America’s revolutionary declaration that all human beings are born equal sets the stage for the renewal of United States leadership in a world that desperately needs to protect its primary endowment: the integrity and livability of the planet.

The world authority on the climate crisis, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, after 20 years of detailed study and four unanimous reports, now says that the evidence is “unequivocal.” To those who are still tempted to dismiss the increasingly urgent alarms from scientists around the world, ignore the melting of the north polar ice cap and all of the other apocalyptic warnings from the planet itself, and who roll their eyes at the very mention of this existential threat to the future of the human species, please wake up. Our children and grandchildren need you to hear and recognize the truth of our situation, before it is too late.

Here is the good news: the bold steps that are needed to solve the climate crisis are exactly the same steps that ought to be taken in order to solve the economic crisis and the energy security crisis.

Economists across the spectrum — including Martin Feldstein and Lawrence Summers — agree that large and rapid investments in a jobs-intensive infrastructure initiative is the best way to revive our economy in a quick and sustainable way.

[Sub-Driver]

Al Gore, the vice president from 1993 to 2001 during the Clinton scandals, was the co-recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize in 2007 for a power point presentation based upon facts that were proven pure fiction. He founded the Alliance for Climate Protection, based upon the hoax of climate change, as a businessman, invests in alternative energy companies that lost millions in a carbon credit scheme on Wall Street.

[Da Coyote]

Hey Gore, I’m not listening.

Go back to school and start with Science 101. You’ll surely pass after two or three tries. While you’re there, take the Obamaloon with you.

[GoDuke]

“The electrifying redemption of America’s revolutionary declaration that all human beings are born equal...”

As opposed to Created Equal?

[Piquaboy]

I might have known that he would crawl back out from under a rock again.

[FastCoyote]

[agree that large and rapid investments in a jobs-intensive infrastructure initiative is the best way to revive our economy in a quick and sustainable way.]

Obama is a one termer if he takes Gore seriously, he will make Carter look like a genius.

These utopian plans are so grandiose as to be capable of bankrupting civilization.

[ETL]

THE ACQUITTAL OF CARBON DIOXIDE
by Jeffrey A. Glassman, PhD

ABSTRACT:

"Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is the product of oceanic respiration due to the well-known but under-appreciated solubility pump. Carbon dioxide rises out of warm ocean waters where it is added to the atmosphere. There it is mixed with residual and accidental CO2, and circulated, to be absorbed into the sink of the cold ocean waters. Next the thermohaline circulation carries the CO2-rich sea water deep into the ocean. A millennium later it appears at the surface in warm waters, saturated by lower pressure and higher temperature, to be exhausted back into the atmosphere. Throughout the past 420 millennia, comprising four interglacial periods, the Vostok record of atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration is imprinted with, and fully characterized by, the physics of the solubility of CO2 in water, along with the lag in the deep ocean circulation.

Notwithstanding that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, atmospheric carbon dioxide has neither caused nor amplified global temperature increases. Increased carbon dioxide has been an effect of global warming, not a cause. Technically, carbon dioxide is a lagging proxy for ocean temperatures. When global temperature, and along with it, ocean temperature rises, the physics of solubility causes atmospheric CO2 to increase.

If increases in carbon dioxide, or any other greenhouse gas, could have in turn raised global temperatures, the positive feedback would have been catastrophic. While the conditions for such a catastrophe were present in the Vostok record from natural causes, the runaway event did not occur. Carbon dioxide does not accumulate in the atmosphere."

http://www.rocketscientistsjournal.com/2006/10/co2_acquittal.html

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The graph above represents temperature and CO2 levels over the past 400,000 years. It is the same exact data Al Gore and the rest of the man-made global warmers refer to. The blue line is temps, the red CO2 levels. The deep valleys represent 4 separate glaciation periods. Now look very carefully at the relationship between temps and CO2 levels (the present is on the right hand side of the graph) and keep in mind that Gore claims this data is the 'proof' that CO2 has warmed the earth in the past. But does the data indeed show this? Nope. In fact, rising CO2 levels all throughout this 400,000-year period actually lagged behind temperature increases ...by an average of 800 years! So it couldn't have been CO2 that got Earth out of these past glaciations. Yet Gore dishonestly and continually claims otherwise. Furthermore, the subsequent CO2 level increases due to dissolved CO2 being released from warming oceans, never did lead to additional warming, the so-called "run-away greenhouse effect" that Al Gore and his friends keep warning us about. In short, there is little if any evidence that CO2 had once led to increased warming during the past 400,000 years. -ETL

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"The above chart shows the range of global temperature through the last 500 million years. There is no statistical correlation between the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere through the last 500 million years and the temperature record in this interval. In fact, one of the highest levels of carbon dioxide concentration occurred during a major ice age that occurred about 450 million years ago [Myr]. Carbon dioxide concentrations at that time were about 15 times higher than at present." [also see 180 million years ago, same thing happened]:
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=010405M

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So, greenhouse [effect] is all about carbon dioxide, right?

Wrong. The most important players on the greenhouse stage are water vapor and clouds. Carbon dioxide has been increased to about 0.038% of the atmosphere (possibly from about 0.028% pre-Industrial Revolution) while water in its various forms ranges from 0% to 4% of the atmosphere and its properties vary by what form it is in and even at what altitude it is found in the atmosphere.

In simple terms the bulk of Earth's greenhouse effect is due to water vapor by virtue of its abundance. Water accounts for about 90% of the Earth's greenhouse effect -- perhaps 70% is due to water vapor and about 20% due to clouds (mostly water droplets), some estimates put water as high as 95% of Earth's total tropospheric greenhouse effect (e.g., Freidenreich and Ramaswamy, 'Solar Radiation Absorption by Carbon Dioxide, Overlap with Water, and a Parameterization for General Circulation Models,' Journal of Geophysical Research 98 (1993):7255-7264).

The remaining portion comes from carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide, methane, ozone and miscellaneous other 'minor greenhouse gases.' As an example of the relative importance of water it should be noted that changes in the relative humidity on the order of 1.3-4% are equivalent to the effect of doubling CO2.

http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/

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Water Vapor Rules the Greenhouse System

Water vapor constitutes Earth's most significant greenhouse gas, accounting for about 95% of Earth's greenhouse effect (4). Interestingly, many 'facts and figures' regarding global warming completely ignore the powerful effects of water vapor in the greenhouse system, carelessly (perhaps, deliberately) overstating human impacts as much as 20-fold.

Water vapor is 99.999% of natural origin. Other atmospheric greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), nitrous oxide (N2O), and miscellaneous other gases (CFC's, etc.), are also mostly of natural origin (except for the latter, which is mostly anthropogenic).

Human activities contribute slightly to greenhouse gas concentrations through farming, manufacturing, power generation, and transportation. However, these emissions are so dwarfed in comparison to emissions from natural sources we can do nothing about, that even the most costly efforts to limit human emissions would have a very small-- perhaps undetectable-- effect on global climate.

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

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Hugo Chavez on 'Global Warming'

"The environment is suffering damage that could be irreversible — global warming, the greenhouse effect, the melting of the polar ice caps, the rising sea level, hurricanes — with terrible social occurrences that will shake life on this planet."

"I believe this idea has a strong connection with reality. I don't think we have much time. Fidel Castro said in one of his speeches I read not so long ago, 'tomorrow could be too late, let's do now what we need to do'."

"I believe it is time that we take up with courage and clarity a political, social, collective and ideological offensive across the world — a real offensive that permits us to move progressively, over the next years, the next decades, leaving behind the perverse, destructive, destroyer, capitalist model and go forward in constructing the socialist model to avoid barbarism and beyond that the annihilation of life on this planet."

--Hugo Chavez, at the 16th World Festival of Youth and Students, held in Caracas on August 8-15, 2005

http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2005/640/640p16.htm

[scory]

Of the many goofy ideas that could take down this nation if truly implemented this “save the world” thing may be the worst. If Hussein is the ideologue he appears to be we may well see some loon like Gore as “climate czar” or heading up the EPA with unprecedented power handed over by congress and the executive to impose regulations that will wreck the economy. And it will be done in a self-righteous manner that will brook no dissent or even debate.

My hope is that things rarely turn out as bad (or good) as they appear and that the worst case scenario will not happen. But I think we can count on “save the world” democrats to mess things up to some extent.

[UltraKonservativen]

As opposed to Created Equal?

NICE CATCH! I guess when you manufacture an “earth worshiping religion” out of BS, it would be hard to accept a Creator... Al Gore is such a loser.

[catpuppy]

... we — must ... begin an emergency rescue of human civilization from the imminent and rapidly growing threat posed by the climate crisis.

GORE'S LAW: Arrogance + idiocy = lunacy

[RMDupree]

[saganite]

begin an emergency rescue of human civilization from the imminent and rapidly growing threat posed by the climate crisis.

It just gets worse and worse every day and Obama hasn’t even taken office yet. The (intended I think) result of the proposed initiatives already expressed by incoming Obama supporters and soon to be administrators will absolutely destroy the world economy. Prosperity brings peace with the occasional small war like Iraq and Afghanistan popping up. Economic depression will bring on another world war.

[Steamburg]

The Gorbocon, is trying to remind the Bambicon that there were promises made and he expects to collect very soon. He will be one PO’ed huckster if he gets cut out of “the change”. After all, he invented hope and change along with global warming, and the internet. It’s not fair that he got trumped by Soros and the credit crash.

[RWB Patriot]

“Our children and grandchildren need you to hear and recognize the truth of our situation, before it is too late.”

What I wrote a while back after hearing this one too many times:

Gas keeps rising, now being over $4.00. And the Senate (which the democrats are the majority in right now) is now voting on cap-and-trade legislation, which Europe is doing and they’re now paying $8 to $9 a gallon. And you want to know what the funny thing is; we have the means to alleviate the oil shortage right in our own backyards...but the same Senate that could be jacking prices up even more just recently killed a bill that would have allowed drilling in ANWR and offshore. And why? Because global warming is all the rave and “we need to protect our childrens’ future!”

I swear, whenever someone comes to me with that BS excuse in defense of the “throw caution to the wind, do whatever it takes solutions” to global warming, I want to just break their jaw. Tell me, what kind of future will our children have if gas is so high that people are spending more money on it than on necessities like food, clothing, the rent or house payment, and even medical care? What kind future are we going to give our children if the government is allowed to take our money and look into just about every aspect of our lives in the name of “environmental protection”, which is starting to look less and less like the noble goal it’s portrayed as and more like a political grab for more power.

What about my future? What about the the future of those of us who have worked hard to get where we are now and just aren’t about to throw it all away for the future of people who aren’t even born and whose rights to a future do not trump ours? Call me cruel or heartless if you want (another reason I don’t much appreciate global warming; anyone who disagrees with it in the slightest is considered a criminal) but I don’t see how “protecting our childrens’ future” justifies taking away mine. Does a person who probably hasn’t been born, hasn’t worked a day to provide for theirself, hasn’t taken responsiblity for their own welfare, somehow matter more in the world than I do (not saying I matter more, but I certainly don’t matter less)?

And before any environmentalist comes to me and starts railing on me for not believing in global warming; I don’t so much disbelieve as I am skeptical about it. It wouldn’t be the first time the government’s just invented a crisis to justify grabbing more power and so far, that’s what’s been being done in response to global warming. I wonder if global warming would be such an issue if politicians couldn’t use it for a campaign booster. And even if I did believe in global warming, I still wouldn’t support any bill that would squealch individual liberties or threaten our economy. I seriously doubt global warming is such a threat that it requires us to turn our country into an environmental dictatorship.

And just look at what solutions are being done in response to the big bad global warming: domestic oil production is being denied because “we need to look for alternative, renewable energy sources”, which probably aren’t going to be invented overnight, so we’re stuck with rising fuel prices, rising energy prices, rising food prices, etc (anybody besides me not surprised to hear that the miracle fuel ethanol is now being considered worse for the environment than our current fuels?); a treaty that will not only violate American soverignty and raise taxes, but apparently won’t solve the global warming problem since the biggest polluter in the world is exempt from the rules (makes it even harder to believe in the “noble” goals of environmentalists); more government control over people’s lives by way of controlling their energy appliances; and now, what pretty much amounts to a rationing system for fuel that will probably do little more than make it even more expensive.

I sometimes hope this global warming threat turns out to be for real; not just for my sake, but for the sake of the people screwing up my life with their solutions and their “we need to protect our childrens’ future” justifications. Because if it isn’t and the only future we secure for our children (and ourselves) is a screwed up economy, high taxes, loss of freedoms, and all the other wonderful things that look like they’re going to happen, then there’s going to be big trouble in America.

[saganite]

global warming, the greenhouse effect, the melting of the polar ice caps, the rising sea level, hurricanes — with terrible social occurrences that will shake life on this planet.”

Note to Hugo. The recent hurricane season was one of the quietest on record.

[palmer]

Second, we should begin the planning and construction of a unified national smart grid for the transport of renewable electricity from the rural places where it is mostly generated to the cities where it is mostly used. New high-voltage, low-loss underground lines can be designed with “smart” features that provide consumers with sophisticated information and easy-to-use tools for conserving electricity, eliminating inefficiency and reducing their energy bills

This is just gibberish. The grid is above ground and has to remain that way for lots of reasons, not just cost. By the "smart" aspect I assume he means the grid would tell you that your A/C is running on expensive peak power from somewhere far away or local natural gas. In that case you would simply sit and sweat or you would crank the A/C in the morning (thus wasting energy) because the "smart" grid would raise your rates (possibly a lot) later in the day.

The same lack of knowledge that tells him the north pole is melting when it is not, seems to influence his policy choices. At best this will be a huge waste of money.

[palmer]

The recent hurricane season was one of the quietest on record.

No it wasn't. It was about average for the 90's and 00's.

[palmer]

Sorry about my previous post, I was only including Atlantic (which was a bit above average). The worldwide season was very low as shown in this graphic (the latest point being the average of the last two seasons)

note: thanks to Right Wing Assault who corrected me on the other thread.

[devere]

The inmates have indeed taken over the asylum.

[Gorzaloon]

Hey Gore, I’m not listening.

Go back to school and start with Science 101. You’ll surely pass after two or three tries.

I do not think someone who actually flunked divinity could manage that.