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Where did 'Drink the Kool-Aid' come from?
MSNBC ^ | Oct. 15, 2008 | Stephen Stept

Posted on 11/10/2008 3:03:51 AM PST by ari-freedom

“Drink the Kool-Aid” has long been a part of the vernacular, used in both a positive and negative sense when we talk about following a mission or philosophy; that is, “buying the program” or “swallowing the party line.” But its origin lies in the 1978 tragedy at Jonestown, where over 900 members of Peoples Temple took poisoned fruit punch at the behest of their leader, Jim Jones.

For those connected personally to this horror, the ubiquitous “Kool-Aid” metaphor, often used frivolously, recalls an unending nightmare. One little known footnote: the fruit drink actually used at Jonestown on that day was a British product, Fla-Vor-Aid. In Guyana, it was cheaper than Kool-Aid.

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1 posted on 11/10/2008 3:03:51 AM PST by ari-freedom
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To: ari-freedom

I thought everyone knew this already.


2 posted on 11/10/2008 3:05:09 AM PST by oblomov
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To: oblomov

Apparently the clowns at MSNBC had to do some research on it.


3 posted on 11/10/2008 3:06:59 AM PST by GnL
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To: oblomov

I heard some lefty on Hannity who seemed to think that it meant that Sean was mocking people who could only afford Kool Aid.

I was shouting at the radio. Sean either didn’t notice it or didn’t want to go in for the kill.


4 posted on 11/10/2008 3:08:13 AM PST by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: ari-freedom

It must be terrible to be an MSNBC writer. They don’t have an original thing to write about. Next weeek, we’ll be given a list of spelling words to study.

I am going on a new trend. I will not be clicking on any MSM websites just to deny them web traffic. If enough of the article is not posted to read, then I can do without it.


5 posted on 11/10/2008 3:08:19 AM PST by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: caver

Witness to Jonestown was a good show. I was able to see most of it tonight


6 posted on 11/10/2008 3:10:17 AM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: ari-freedom

Very well then;

“Now, drink your FLA-VOR-AID! All your problems will be over in a few moments.”


7 posted on 11/10/2008 3:10:34 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (WHAT? Where did my tag line go?)
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To: ari-freedom
Jim Jones in Guiana.
8 posted on 11/10/2008 3:11:02 AM PST by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: ari-freedom

Witness to Jonestown was a good show. I was able to see most of it tonight

I’d like to see that show.


9 posted on 11/10/2008 3:11:25 AM PST by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: ari-freedom

MSNBC, the deepest and most enthusiastic drinkers of Kool-Aid, are trying to shame people into not using this phrase, because they know it describes them so well.

Well, just so there is no confusion, when I say that MSNBC “drinks the Kool-Aid”, I am saying that MSNBC is unquestioningly accepting the orders of their masters in the DNC, to the point of suicide, because they are completely enthralled and have lost the power of independent thought.

Given the Jonestown origin of the term, I think my usage is spot-on.


10 posted on 11/10/2008 3:12:08 AM PST by gridlock (Don't blame me... I voted for Palin!)
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To: ari-freedom

MSNBC is celebrating the 30th anniversary of Cultish Personality Worship.


11 posted on 11/10/2008 3:13:29 AM PST by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: ari-freedom

From Jonestown, when about 900 people followed their leader and drank tainted Koolaid, to commit suicide together.


12 posted on 11/10/2008 3:19:15 AM PST by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: caver
Next weeek, we’ll be given a list of spelling words to study.

Libs make me feel like I'm being lectured by the slowest kid in the class- who's blissfully unaware that he's way behind everybody else.

13 posted on 11/10/2008 3:23:39 AM PST by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: ari-freedom

Kinda petty for them to say in the sub-header that koolaid isn’t accurate. Koolaid is a brand name that has become a generic term, much like bandaid and kleenex. I don’t know if they said that to undermine the term, since IIRC it began in reference to Clinton supporters and then generalized to encompass all the useful idiots of the Left, or just to show how clever they are they discovered that irrelevant detail.


14 posted on 11/10/2008 3:24:35 AM PST by visualops (portraits.artlife.us or visit my freeper page)
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To: ari-freedom

The History Channel did a much better doco about a year or so ago. They’re showing it again Saturday 11/22.

http://www.history.com/shows.do?action=detail&episodeId=207672

I mentioned in another thread that nothing about Jonestown will ever come close to frightening portrayal of Jim Jones by the great actor Powers Boothe in “Guyana Tragedy”.


15 posted on 11/10/2008 3:26:29 AM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("I love democracy. I love Free Republic")
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To: ari-freedom; All

"In 1951, [Reverend Jim] Jones (Jonestown) began attending communist meetings and rallies in Indianapolis.[4] Jones became flustered at harassment he received during the McCarthy Hearings,[4] particularly, regarding meetings between Jones and his mother with Paul Robeson.[5] This, among other things, provoked a seminal moment for Jones where he asked himself "how can I demonstrate my Marxism? The thought was, infiltrate the church."[5][4]"

"In the summer of 1977, Jones and most of the 900 members of the People's Temple moved to Guyana from San Francisco after media pressure built.[25] Jones left the same night that an editor at New West magazine read Jones an article by Marshall Kilduff to be published detailing allegations by former Temple members.[25][16] Jones named the settlement Jonestown after himself.

Jones purported to establish Jonestown as a benevolent model communist community stating, 'I believe we’re the purest communists there are.' [26] Jones' wife, Marceline, described Jonestown as "dedicated to live for socialism, total economic and racial and social equality. We are here living communally."[26] Jones wanted to construct a model community to show others and stated that Prime Minister of Guyana Forbes Burnham 'couldn’t rave enough about us, uh, the wonderful things we do, the project, the model of socialism.'[27] In that regard, like the restrictive emigration policies of the then Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea and other communist republics, Jones did not permit members to leave Jonestown.[28]

Jones and several members argued that the group should commit "revolutionary suicide" by drinking cyanide-laced grape flavored Flavor Aid (often misidentified as Kool-Aid) along with a sedative.[39]

One member, Christine Miller, dissents toward the beginning of the tape.[39] When members apparently cried, Jones counseled "Stop this hysterics. This is not the way for people who are Socialists or Communists to die. No way for us to die. We must die with some dignity."[39] Jones can be heard saying, "Don't be afraid to die" and, regarding death as "just stepping over into another plane" and that "[death is] a friend."[39] At the end of the tape, Jones concludes: "We didn't commit suicide, we committed an act of revolutionary suicide protesting the conditions of an inhumane world."[39] Children were given the drink first and families were told to lie down together. The mass suicide had been discussed in simulated events called "White Nights" on a regular basis, while members drank liquid Jones first told them was poison during at least one of those White Nights.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones

16 posted on 11/10/2008 3:28:30 AM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: Riley

“Libs make me feel like I’m being lectured by the slowest kid in the class- who’s blissfully unaware that he’s way behind everybody else.”

I like your analogy.


17 posted on 11/10/2008 3:30:43 AM PST by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: ari-freedom

MSNBC has decided to put Jonestown and Koolaid to bed once and for all. God forbid anyone notice the glaring parallels between Jones and our new ‘ruler’. (Speaking style — ‘gimme that ol’ time religion’, plans, content, empty promises, Marxist philosophy, outright lies, demonization of those who oppose him, and the mindless euphoria of hapless followers, etc..). Oh, and evil. We should be able to recognize evil when we see it, but Satan is clever. He cloaks evil in empty promises aimed specifically at your needs.

That story by Stephen King,
Needful Things, is eerily prophetic. A woman at church yesterday said she didn’t like Sarah Palin. (She looked guilty, frankly, and said we needed to pray a lot. This was about abortions, evidently. I think she voted for Obama. She has a special needs child, and was thinking of medical bills she’ll be faced with forever. He’s attention deficit, hyperactive. God bless her, she does her best to keep him under control. He’s about six. I suspect a great many voted for Obama because of medical expenses...socialized medicine seemed the perfect answer.


18 posted on 11/10/2008 3:36:10 AM PST by hershey
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To: caver

Someone ought to let this so called journalist know that there is nothing frivolous about the use of the phrase Kool Aid drinker.

Millions of Americans are lined up for their sip.

Heaven help them.


19 posted on 11/10/2008 3:42:11 AM PST by Carley (Vote McCain/Palin.....Change babies can live with.)
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To: oblomov
I thought everyone knew this already.

But few know Jonestown (Peoples Temple) was set up as a communist community. Most docs make little if any mention of it. Also that Lee Harvey Oswald was a devoted communist. Or that the kidnappers of Patty Hearst were communist revolutionaries allied with the Black Panthers, Black Liberation Army (Wright's Black Liberation Theology) and the Weather Underground. Even Sean Hannity had/has a hard time referring to the Weather Underground as communists. Yet they, like Rev Wright, were proponents of Black Liberation Theology.

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"Their founding document [the Weather Underground's] called for the establishment of a "white fighting force" to be allied with the "Black Liberation Movement" and other "anti-colonial" movements[1] to achieve "the destruction of US imperialism and the achievement of a classless world: world communism."..."-Berger, Dan (2006). Outlaws of America: The Weather Underground and the Politics of Solidarity. AK Press, 95.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_Underground#cite_ref-Berger_0-0

Outlaws of America: The Weather Underground and the Politics of Solidarity (Paperback) by Dan Berger
http://www.amazon.com/Outlaws-America-Underground-Politics-Solidarity/dp/1904859410

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From the New York Times, August 24, 2003

"they [the Weather Underground] employed revolutionary jargon, advocated armed struggle and black liberation and began bombing buildings, taking responsibility for at least 20 attacks. Estimates of their number ranged at times from several dozen to several hundred."

Article: Quieter Lives for 60's Militants, but Intensity of Beliefs Hasn't Faded
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F04E4DE1539F937A1575BC0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2

20 posted on 11/10/2008 3:42:34 AM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: ari-freedom

It means to be brainwashed and drink the kool-aid like they did in Jonestown when all those people offed themselves by drinking poisoned kool-aid.


21 posted on 11/10/2008 3:45:43 AM PST by beckysueb (Drill here! Drill now!)
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To: Carley

“Millions of Americans are lined up for their sip.”

You got that right!


22 posted on 11/10/2008 3:48:42 AM PST by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: GnL
Apparently the clowns at MSNBC had to do some research on it.

Diagnosis: Typical grasp of history, indicating public education and some leftist university edumaciation for the journalism major. End result of approximately 16 years of fecal fingerpainting, fully subsidized by taxpayers.

23 posted on 11/10/2008 3:59:17 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Stop feeding Leftist education systems. Don't let your kids go there.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Who is John Gulp?


24 posted on 11/10/2008 4:01:33 AM PST by null and void (This isn't an election, it's a manifestation of a Salvador Dali painting. [Persistence of Division])
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To: oblomov
I thought everyone knew this already.

Why would you assume that *everyone* knows the origins of the Kool Aid reference, let alone that the camp was set up to be a communist utopia? Most people don't know the basics of anything.

I just read the MSNBC article, and, as expected, ZERO mention of the fact that Jonestown was a communist community. Obviously the leftist media doesn't want people to know that it was yet another colossal failure of communism.

25 posted on 11/10/2008 4:03:18 AM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: ETL
I just read the MSNBC article, and, as expected, ZERO mention of the fact that Jonestown was a communist community. Obviously the leftist media doesn't want people to know that it was yet another colossal failure of communism.

By omitting that, the reader is gently led to the conclusion that Jim Jones was some Right-wing religious nut-case.

26 posted on 11/10/2008 4:17:10 AM PST by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: ari-freedom

Earliest I can remember was the 60’s and was used to mix LSD and other mind altering drugs with.

Kinda explains the Youth vote this past election.


27 posted on 11/10/2008 4:17:41 AM PST by jedi150
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To: Riley
By omitting that the reader is gently led to the conclusion that Jim Jones was some Right-wing religious nut-case.

Exactly what they intended. Notice that only one person on this thread, other than myself, seemed to know (or at least bothered to mention) that Jonestown was a communist camp.

28 posted on 11/10/2008 4:26:49 AM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: ari-freedom

The research department at MSNBC once again impresses the masses.


29 posted on 11/10/2008 4:26:50 AM PST by HarleyD
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To: ari-freedom
"Flav Vo Flav"


30 posted on 11/10/2008 4:29:49 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: oblomov
I thought everyone knew this already.

Maybe you have noticed this too - the MSM is adjusting their programming to reflect their new perceptions of the Sheeple.

The election was an intelligence test - we flunked.

31 posted on 11/10/2008 4:35:26 AM PST by ZOOKER ( Exploring the fine line between cynicism and outright depression)
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To: Riley; Traviswf
Libs make me feel like I'm being lectured by the slowest kid in the class- who's blissfully unaware that he's way behind everybody else.

LOL, kind of like this guy:

Comments from an Obama voter (not trolling)

32 posted on 11/10/2008 4:36:54 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: All

Read the Wikipedia article on Jones and if you don’t see a little of Obama in there then I am very wrong.

The past associations, his formative years, interests, The Cult of Personality and techniques for gaining power. It is all there.


33 posted on 11/10/2008 4:38:52 AM PST by WildcatClan (If we are the one's we have been waiting for, we must be incredibly stupid.)
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To: ari-freedom

I was a bartender back then and invented a “Jonestown Massacre” cocktail. Vodka and grapejuice. You wait till the glass frosts and then draw the Koolaid guy! :)


34 posted on 11/10/2008 4:42:48 AM PST by sazerac
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To: Emperor Palpatine
The History Channel did a much better doco about a year or so ago. They’re showing it again Saturday 11/22.
http://www.history.com/shows.do?action=detail&episodeId=207672

Much better job? They don't say a word about the communist nature of the camp either, at least not in the following description of the program found at your link. None of these docs tell the whole story when it comes to communist groups and individuals. I've seen docs on the history of the "peace" movement that totally ignored the fact that every one of the major so-called 'anti-war' groups operating today and throughout the past 50 or so years were communist fronts.

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From your History Channel/Jonestown link:

"Framed by recently released, U.S. Government information and eye witness accounts, this special follows Congressman Leo Ryan's fatal journey into 'Jonestown', a community carved out of the jungles of Guyana by the followers of messianic/charismatic pastor, Jim Jones. Using extensive and fact backed dramatic re-enactments, as well as archival footage, and heart-rending interviews, we go beyond 'official reality' and deep into the inner workings of this tragic cult and its apocalyptic end."

http://www.history.com/shows.do?action=detail&episodeId=207672

35 posted on 11/10/2008 4:49:23 AM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: ETL
Notice that only one person on this thread, other than myself, seemed to know (or at least bothered to mention) that Jonestown was a communist camp.

I knew that Jonestown was a communist society, but I did not know that Jim Jones was a communist before he was a religious nut-case. That piece of the puzzle was missing for me, and I thank you for filling it in.

36 posted on 11/10/2008 4:57:32 AM PST by gridlock (Don't blame me... I voted for Palin!)
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To: ari-freedom

Jonestown was a sort of ‘snow-globe’ communist dictatorship.

It might have lasted had they worn snappier uniforms.


37 posted on 11/10/2008 5:01:28 AM PST by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: oblomov

What is this MSNBC guy 12-years-old? Every well-read adult knows this fact.


38 posted on 11/10/2008 5:02:07 AM PST by Mobile Vulgus
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To: ari-freedom
In reality it was "Drink the Kool-Aid" or else. Several "suicide" victims had gunshot wounds to the head.

Imagine that? A death squad associated with a personality cult.

39 posted on 11/10/2008 5:08:32 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: ari-freedom

Since I heard the phrase prior to Jonestown, I’ve always assumed it came from Ken Keasy and the “Electric Kool-Aid Acid Tests”...


40 posted on 11/10/2008 5:10:50 AM PST by El Laton Caliente (NRA Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
What is this MSNBC guy 12-years-old? Every well-read adult knows this fact.

Well read adult includes almost everybody on FR and almost nobody in the Main Slime Media.

41 posted on 11/10/2008 5:12:07 AM PST by magslinger (If you take my gun from me, mind the barrel. It will be hot.)
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To: ari-freedom

Ah yes: Johnstown. The national news weeklies published pictures of the camp: Remarkably similar to a military training camp. Reports 3 days after the “koolaid drinking”
Jungle was quiet: No birds, insects, life. The 900 plus passports, in a footlocker? intercepted on way back to cuba, AND, despite the passports, most of the dead, a majority military age young black men, were unable to be identified. What’s wrong with this picture? Remember, this was after the congressman’s death: I wonder what he stumbled on.

For those who never learned to think: I believe it likely Cuba had established a military training camp, obtained a large supply of US passports, and the problem was solved by
application from the air. Koolaid was likely the cover story. Or did the camp feed koolaid to the birds and insects too? Over 900 bodies in a jungle after three days and no insects?


42 posted on 11/10/2008 5:14:47 AM PST by kendwell (The task.... is not yours to finish. Nor are you to refrain from it altogether)
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To: gridlock
but I did not know that Jim Jones was a communist before he was a religious nut-case.

People like 'Rev' Jim Jones (ie, 'Rev' Wright, 'Rev' Jackson, 'Rev' Sharpton, 'Minister' Louis Farrakhan, etc, etc) only use religion as a means of promoting Marxist revolution. Both Black Liberation Theology and the 'Nation Of Islam' are totally concocted religions.

"God D*** America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11"
--Rev Dr. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor for twenty years

Wright: "In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01. White America and the Western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just 'disappeared' as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring Black concerns."

"America’s chickens... are coming home... to ROOST!"

The Real Story Behind Rev. Wright's Controversial Black Liberation Theology Doctrine
Monday , May 5, 2008
FoxNews/Hannity's America
[special Friday night edition--original airdate May 2, 2008]

(some key excerpts)

["(Jose) Diaz-Balart is the son of Rafael Diaz-Balart y Guitierrez (a former Cuban politician). He has three bothers, Rafael Diaz-Balart (a banker), Mario Diaz-Balart (a US Congressman) and Lincoln Diaz-Balart (also a US Congressman). His aunt, Mirta Diaz-Balart, was Fidel Castro's first wife."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Diaz-Balart]

JOSE DIAZ-BALART, TELEMUNDO NETWORK: "Liberation theology in Nicaragua in the mid-1980's was a pro-Sandinista, pro-Marxist, anti-U.S., anti-Catholic Church movement. That's it. No ifs, ands, or buts. His church apparently supported, in the mid-'80s in Nicaragua, groups that supported the Sandinista dictatorships and that were opposed to the Contras whose reason for being was calling for elections. That's all I know. I was there.

I saw the churches in Nicaragua that he spoke of, and the churches were churches that talked about the need for violent revolution and I remember clearly one of the major churches in Managua where the Jesus Christ on the altar was not Jesus Christ, he was a Sandinista soldier, and the priests talked about the corruption of the West, talked about the need for revolution everywhere, and talked about 'the evil empire' which was the United States of America."

REV. BOB SCHENCK, NATIONAL CLERGY COUNCIL: "it's based in Marxism. At the core of his [Wright's] theology is really an anti-Christian understanding of God, and as part of a long history of individuals who actually advocate using violence in overthrowing those they perceive to be oppressing them, even acts of murder have been defended by followers of liberation theology. That's very, very dangerous."

SCHENCK: "I was actually the only person escorted to Dr. Wright. He asked to see me, and I simply welcomed him to Washington, and then I said Dr. Wright, I want to bring you a warning: your embrace of Marxist liberation theology. It is contrary to the Gospel, and you need, sir, to abandon it. And at that he dropped the handshake and made it clear that he was not in the mood to dialogue on that point."

Source: The Real Story Behind Rev. Wright's Controversial Black Liberation Theology Doctrine:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354158,00.html

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Excerpt from The American Thinker
Article:
Obama, Black Liberation Theology, and Karl Marx
May 28, 2008

Just one nugget from the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, "Instruction on Certain Aspects of the ‘Theology of Liberation': "...it would be illusory and dangerous to ignore the intimate bond which radically unites them (liberation theologies), and to accept elements of the marxist analysis without recognizing its connections with the (Marxist) ideology, or to enter into the practice of the class-struggle and of its marxist interpretation while failing to see the kind of totalitarian society to which this process slowly leads."
- (Author: Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Prefect, now Pope Benedict XVI; written in 1984)

Understanding that black liberation theology is Marxism dressed up to look like Christianity helps explain why there is no conflict between Cone's "Christianity" and Farrakhan's "Nation of Islam." They are two prophets in the same philosophical (Marxist) pod, merely using different religions as backdrops for their black-power aims.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/05/obama_black_liberation_theolog.html

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From the Louis Farrakhan, Nation of Islam website, FinalCall.com...
Malik Zulu Shabazz, chairman of the New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense (NBPP):
"We are happy today to be standing side by side with the Nation of Islam. We believe, like the Nation of Islam and the Honorable Elijah Muhammad believe, in a nation of our own. We believe in a Black first philosophy and a Black Liberation Theology. We don’t worry about the criticism. We love all of those who labored in the Panther Party from the ’60s. Many are with us today."
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_1858.shtml

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From the Maoist Internationist Movement:
[1960s/original] Black Panther Party [BPP] Archives
From the article: REVOLUTIONARY HEROES

"On May 1st, May Day [1969], the day of the gigantic Free Huey rally, two of Alioto's top executioners vamped on the brothers from the Brown Community who were attending to their own affairs. These brothers, who are endowed with the revolutionary spirit of the Black Panther Party defended themselves from the racist pig gestapo.

Pig Joseph Brodnik received his just reward with a big hole in the chest. Pig Paul McGoran got his in the mouth which was not quite enough to off him.

The revolutionary brothers escaped the huge swarm of pigs with dogs, mace, tanks and helicopters, proving once again that "the spirit of the people is greater than the man's technology."

To these brothers the revolutionary people of racist America want to say, by your revolutionary deed you are heroes, and that you are always welcome to our camp."

Source: Maoist Internationist Movement
Article: REVOLUTIONARY HEROS (May 11, 1969):
http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/bpp/index.html

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Louis Farrakhan, at the Millions More Movement rally in DC, Oct 15, 2005: "...what Mao Tse Tung did was, he went to the cultural community, and they [Farrakhan spreads his arms beneficently] accepted his idea."... "Mao Tse Tung ... had a billion people whose lives he had to transform."..."the idea of Mao Tse Tung became the idea of a billion people, and China became a world power on the base of the culture and the arts community. If we had a ministry of art and culture in every city we'd create this movement [in the U.S.]."
Source: http://thedrunkablog.blogspot.com/2005/10/communist-plot-noted.html

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Louis Farrakhan, Santiago de Cuba, February, 1998: "There is not a member of the black masses in the United States who is not proud of the example set by Cuba and its revolution, with Comandante Fidel at its head"
Source: http://www.fiu.edu/~fcf/farakhan21898.html#says

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"Minister Farrakhan and his delegation met privately with President Fidel Castro of Cuba."
http://www.finalcall.com/media/cuba/

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[that's Michelle Obama with Mrs. Farrakhan. Mrs. Farrakhan is at center bottom wearing white]
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/03/michelle-obama-and-louis-farrakhans-wife-together-in-photo/

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Louis Farrakhan, at the annual Saviours' Day celebration in Chicago, Feb. 25, 2008: "This young man is the hope of the entire world that America will change and be made better"..."If you look at Barack Obama's audiences and look at the effect of his words, those people are being transformed."
Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23333598/

Video of Farrakhan's Obama endorsement at the above 'annual Saviours' Day celebration in Chicago, Feb. 25, 2008'. Hear him call Obama "The Messiah" And speak of "universal change":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE
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Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Obama's pastor and spirtual advisor "crazy uncle" of more than 20 years, honors "Honorable" Minister Louis Farrakhan with the "Jeremiah A. Wright Lifetime Achievement Trumpeteer Award" at the 2007 Trumpet Gala held at the Hyatt Regency Chicago.
[it appears the original video was removed, but this one is identical to it]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW2OhkZ0RSg

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Obama's Church: Gospel of Hate
Kathy Shaidle, FrontPageMag.com
Monday, April 07, 2008

In March of 2007, FOX News host Sean Hannity had engaged Obama’s pastor in a heated interview about his Church’s teachings. For many viewers, the ensuing shouting match was their first exposure to "Black Liberation Theology"...

Like the pro-communist Liberation Theology that swept Central America in the 1980s and was repeatedly condemned by Pope John Paul II, Black Liberation Theology combines warmed-over 1960s vintage Marxism with carefully distorted biblical passages. However, in contrast to traditional Marxism, it emphasizes race rather than class. The Christian notion of "salvation" in the afterlife is superseded by "liberation" on earth, courtesy of the establishment of a socialist utopia.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=30CD9E14-B0C9-4F8C-A0A6-A896F0F44F02

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From "45 Communist Goals":
#27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion.
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

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Catholics for Marx
By Fr. Robert Sirico
FrontPageMagazine.com | Thursday, June 03, 2004

In the days when the Superpowers were locked in a Cold War, Latin America seethed with revolution, and millions lived behind an iron curtain, a group of theologians concocted a novel idea within the history of Christianity. They proposed to combine the teachings of Jesus with the teachings of Marx as a way of justifying violent revolution to overthrow the economics of capitalism.

The Gospels were re-rendered not as doctrine impacting on the human soul but rather as windows into the historical dialectic of class struggle. These "liberation theologians" saw every biblical criticism of the rich as a mandate to expropriate the expropriating owners of capital, and every expression of compassion for the poor as a call for an uprising by the proletarian class of peasants and workers.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=460782B7-35CC-4C9E-A2C5-93832067C7CD

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From the New York Times, April 28, 2008
Reverend Wright at the National Press Club
"In the late 1960s, when Dr. James Cone's powerful books burst onto the scene, the term 'black liberation theology' began to be used. I do not in any way disagree with Dr. Cone, nor do I in any way diminish the inimitable and incomparable contributions that he has made and that he continues to make to the field of theology. Jim, incidentally, is a personal friend of mine."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/28/us/politics/28text-wright.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=sloginL

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From Jeff Head's website...
One notable quote from [James] Cone describing his Black Liberation Theology is as follows:

"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love." - "Divine Racism: The Unacknowledged Threshold Issue for Black Theology", in African-American Religious Thought: An Anthology, by William R Jones, ed Cornel West and Eddie Glaube (Westminster John Knox Press).
http://www.jeffhead.com/blacklibtheology.htm

African American Religious Thought: An Anthology (Paperback)
by Cornel West (Editor), Eddie S. Glaude Jr. (Editor)
http://www.amazon.com/African-American-Religious-Thought-Anthology/dp/0664224598

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HANNITY: But Reverend Jeremiah Wright is not backing down and has not for years and in his strong stance on the teaching of black liberation theology is nothing new. He had the same things to say last spring when he appeared on "Hannity & Colmes:"

WRIGHT: If you're not going to talk about theology in context, if you're not going to talk about liberation theology that came out of the '60s, systematized black liberation theology that started with Jim Cone in 1968 and the writings of Cone and the writings of Dwight Hopkins and the writings of womynist theologians and Asian theologians and Hispanic theologians, then you can't talk about the black value system.

HANNITY: But I'm a — reverend

WRIGHT: Do you know liberation theology, sir?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354158,00.html

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YouTube: Glenn Beck on Obama and Black Liberation Theology.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cA0GEV1ibY&eurl=http://maggiesnotebook.blogspot.com/2008/04/im-speechless.html

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"Their founding document [the Weather Underground's] called for the establishment of a "white fighting force" to be allied with the "Black Liberation Movement" and other "anti-colonial" movements[1] to achieve "the destruction of US imperialism and the achievement of a classless world: world communism."..."-Berger, Dan (2006). Outlaws of America: The Weather Underground and the Politics of Solidarity. AK Press, 95.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_Underground#cite_ref-Berger_0-0

Outlaws of America: The Weather Underground and the Politics of Solidarity (Paperback) by Dan Berger
http://www.amazon.com/Outlaws-America-Underground-Politics-Solidarity/dp/1904859410

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From the New York Times, August 24, 2003

"they [the Weather Underground] employed revolutionary jargon, advocated armed struggle and black liberation and began bombing buildings, taking responsibility for at least 20 attacks. Estimates of their number ranged at times from several dozen to several hundred."

Article: Quieter Lives for 60's Militants, but Intensity of Beliefs Hasn't Faded
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F04E4DE1539F937A1575BC0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2

43 posted on 11/10/2008 5:21:35 AM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: ari-freedom; All
Along the same lines (media largely ignoring communist angle)...

Lee Harvey Oswald
From wikipedia (with references at site) :

Around the age of fifteen, he became an ardent Marxist solely from his private reading on the topic. He wrote in his diary, "I was looking for a key to my environment, and then I discovered socialist literature. I had to dig for my books in the back dusty shelves of libraries."[13] At 16 he wrote to the Socialist Party of America, stating that he was a Marxist who had been studying socialist principles for "well over fifteen months," and asked for information about their youth league.[14]

While in the Marines, Oswald was trained in the use of the M1 Garand rifle. Following that training, he was tested in December of 1956, and obtained a score of 212, which was 2 points above the minimum for qualifications as a sharpshooter. In May 1959, on another range, Oswald scored 191, which was 1 point over the minimum for ranking as a marksman.[17]

Small and frail compared to the other Marines, he was nicknamed Ozzie Rabbit after the cartoon character. His shyness and Soviet sympathies alienated him from his fellow Marines. Ostracism only seemed to provoke him into being a stauncher, more outspoken communist. For his steadfast beliefs, his nickname ultimately became Oswaldskovich.

Life in the Soviet Union

In October 1959, Oswald immigrated to the Soviet Union. He was nineteen, and the trip was planned well in advance. Along with having taught himself rudimentary Russian, he had saved $1,500 of his Marine Corps salary,[19] got an early "hardship" discharge by (falsely) claiming he needed to care for his injured mother,[20] got a passport, and submitted several fictional applications to foreign universities in order to obtain a student visa (and possibly help avoid Marine Corps reserve duty).

After spending only three days with his mother in Fort Worth, he departed by ship from New Orleans on September 20, 1959, for the Soviet Union, first arriving in Le Havre in France, then to London,England and eventually Oswald to a Finnair flight to Helsinki, Finland as part of a package tour. Oswald landed to Helsinki airport in October 10 at 23.30 a.m. he registered at the Hotel Torni but two days later , he moved to the Kurki Hotel.Oswald applied for a visa at the embassy on October 12, his first business day in Helsinki. Oswalds visa was issued on October 14. It was valid until October 20 and permitted him to take one trip of not more than 6 days to the Soviet Union. He left from Helsinki Central Railway Station by train next day on October 15 to Moscow and when he crossed the Finnish-Russian border at Vainikkala, he arrived to Moscow on October 16." [21] When he arrived in the Soviet Union and showed up unexpectedly at the Embassy in Moscow, he said he wanted to renounce his U.S. citizenship.[22][23] When the Navy Department learned of this, it changed Oswald's Marine Corps discharge from "hardship/honorable" to "undesirable."[24]

Oswald told a reporter in Moscow, "For two years I've had it in my mind, don't form any attachments, because I knew I was going away. I was planning to divest myself of everything to do with the United States."[25] To another reporter he said, "I would not consider returning to the United States," and referred to the Soviet government as "my government."[26] His wish to remain in the Soviet Union was initially applauded by the Soviets, but although he had some technical knowledge acquired in the Marines they soon discovered he had little of real value to offer the Soviet Union and his application for Soviet residency was rejected.[27] In response, Oswald made a bloody but minor cut to his left wrist in his hotel room bathtub. After bandaging his superficial injury, the cautious Soviets kept him under psychiatric observation at the Botkin Hospital.[28][29] Although this attempt may have been no more than an attention-getting ruse, the Soviet government feared an international incident if he were to attempt something similar again.

New Orleans

Oswald returned to New Orleans, arriving on the morning of April 25, 1963 looking for work. After Oswald got a job as a machinery greaser with the Reily Coffee Company in May, Marina was driven there by family friend Ruth Paine. Oswald was fired for inefficiency and dereliction of duty on July 19.

During this period, Oswald began to consider returning to the Soviet Union or going to Cuba.[57] He had Marina write to the Soviet Embassy in Washington, D.C. about the possibility of their returning to the Soviet Union.[58] His Marxist ideals became focused on Fidel Castro and Cuba and he soon became a vocal pro-Castro advocate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

44 posted on 11/10/2008 5:24:54 AM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: ETL

Thanks for the references. I’ll review them.


45 posted on 11/10/2008 5:28:47 AM PST by gridlock (Don't blame me... I voted for Palin!)
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To: ari-freedom
I've seen and heard this claim several times now.

Drink the kool aid is “Racist”....

“black people are presumed to drink Kool-Aid (because they supposedly like sweet fruit drinks) in the same way they're said to eat lots of watermelon and fried chicken”

46 posted on 11/10/2008 5:54:37 AM PST by Jackson Brown
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To: Riley

Yeah, some think it’s racist.


47 posted on 11/10/2008 6:00:04 AM PST by hope (the socialist msm result is mind-numb O-bots)
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To: gridlock

You’re welcome. Sorry for the information overload. But it’s extremely important that we better understand what we have gotten ourselves into with the election of the Messiah and the America-hating creeps he surrounds himself with.


48 posted on 11/10/2008 6:00:49 AM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: Jackson Brown
I've seen and heard this claim several times now. Drink the kool aid is “Racist”.... “black people are presumed to drink Kool-Aid (because they supposedly like sweet fruit drinks) in the same way they're said to eat lots of watermelon and fried chicken”

Why even repeat such obvious BS? That's a typical ploy of the left to distract from the truth. They try to make everything 'racist', when in reality there are many times more actual racists on their side. The Kool-Aid reference has only to do with mindless people trusting and falling victim to the promises of a socialist Messiah.

As for the true racists...

From the New York Times, April 28, 2008
Reverend Wright at the National Press Club
"In the late 1960s, when Dr. James Cone's powerful books burst onto the scene, the term 'black liberation theology' began to be used. I do not in any way disagree with Dr. Cone, nor do I in any way diminish the inimitable and incomparable contributions that he has made and that he continues to make to the field of theology. Jim, incidentally, is a personal friend of mine."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/28/us/politics/28text-wright.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=sloginL
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From Jeff Head's website...
One notable quote from [James] Cone describing his Black Liberation Theology is as follows:

"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love." - "Divine Racism: The Unacknowledged Threshold Issue for Black Theology", in African-American Religious Thought: An Anthology, by William R Jones, ed Cornel West and Eddie Glaube (Westminster John Knox Press).
http://www.jeffhead.com/blacklibtheology.htm

African American Religious Thought: An Anthology (Paperback)
by Cornel West (Editor), Eddie S. Glaude Jr. (Editor)
http://www.amazon.com/African-American-Religious-Thought-Anthology/dp/0664224598
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Malcolm-X lawyer claims Black radical, Kalid Al-Mansour, helped finance Obama


Obama's Benefactor: Dr. Khalid al Mansour, I presume ...
August 27, 2008
"Percy Sutton, NYC political icon in the African American community, tells a news reporter that Dr. Khalid al Mansour solicited favor and recommendation on behalf of Barack Hussein Obama in order to secure Barack's entry into Harvard."
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/08/obamas-benefact.html
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Percy Sutton [middle] with Malcolm X [front] at a Harlem
rally on Seventh Avenue between 125th and 126th streets (1963).

Must see video!
YouTube: "Percy Sutton (Malcom X's Lawyer) Says Barack Obama Knows And Was Financed By The Racist Radical Muslim And Saudi Advisor Dr. Khalid Al-Mansour, Part II"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIVO8MZYXo8
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VIDEO: From a special edition of Hannity's America, October 5, 2008
Episode title: "Obama & Friends: History of Radicalism"
YouTube: "Another Obama Mentor [Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour] Caught Ranting Against Whitey":
whatever you do to [white people], they deserve it, God wants you to do it and that’s when you cut out the nose, cut out the ears, take flesh out of their body, don’t worry because God wants you to do it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4DsaWLrJoY
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Complete playlist from Hannity's America, 10/5/08:
"Obama & Friends: History of Radicalism":

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=9F8A48061A962CDD
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From David Horowitz's FrontPageMag.com/DiscoverTheNetworks.org:
Profile: Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour

"Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour is a Muslim lawyer and a black nationalist who made news in 2008 when it was revealed that he had been a patron of Barack Obama and had recommended the latter for admission to Harvard Law School in 1988.

Before becoming a Muslim, al-Mansour in the 1960s was named Don Warden. He was deeply involved in San Francisco Bay Area racial politics as founder of a group called the African American Association. A close personal adviser to Huey Newton and Bobby Seale, al-Mansour helped the pair establish the Black Panther Party but later broke with them when they entered coalitions with white radical groups."
...

Al-Mansour is an outspoken hater of the United States, Israel, and white people generally. In recent years he has accused the U.S. of plotting a “genocide” designed “to remove 15 million black people, considered disposable, of no relevance, value or benefit to the American society.” He has told fellow blacks that “whatever you do to [white people], they deserve it, God wants you to do it and that’s when you cut out the nose, cut out the ears, take flesh out of their body, don’t worry because God wants you to do it.” Alleging further that Palestinians in Israel “are being brutalized like savages,” he accuses the Jews of “stealing the land the same way the Christians stole the land from the Indians in America.”
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/katalm.html
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Rapper 'Ludacris'

Lyrics to Ludacris' Obama rap song, "Obama Is Here"

"With a slot in the President's iPod, Obama shouted him

Said I handled my biz and I'm one of his favorite rappers

Well give Luda a special pardon if I'm ever in the slammer

Better yet put me in office, make me a Vice President

Hillary hated on you so that bitch is irrelevant

Now Jesse talkin slick and apologizin for WHAT~?!

If you said it then you MEANT it how you want it, head or gut

And all you other politicians tryin to hate on my man

Watch us win majority vote in every STATE on my man

You cain't stop what's 'bout to happen, we 'bout to make history

The first black President it's destined and it's meant to be

The threats ain't fazin us, the nooses or the jokes

Get off your ass black people it's time to get out and vote

Paint the White House black and I'm sure that's got 'em terrified

McCain don't belong in ANY chair unless he's paralyzed

Yeah I said it cause Bush is mentally handicapped

Ball up all of his speeches and just throw 'em like candy wraps

Cause what you talkin I hear nothin even relevant

And you the worst of all 43 Presidents

Get out and vote, or the end'll be near

And the world is ready for change cause Obama is here

YEAHHH! Cause Obama is here

The world is ready for change cause Obama is here

Yeahhhh, cause Obama is here

Say world is ready for change cause Obama is here

Hey!

http://lyrics.rapbasement.com/Ludacris_Politics%20(Obama%20Is%20Here)_lyrics_2129.html


49 posted on 11/10/2008 6:14:55 AM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: ETL
Thanksgiving is coming in a few short weeks. I am going to be treated to chapter and verse about the wonders of the Obamessiah by my far-left family members... (That would be all of them!)

I'll study up, so I can try to inform them of the ideological underpinnings of their bright shiny new President-Elect.

50 posted on 11/10/2008 6:17:31 AM PST by gridlock (Don't blame me... I voted for Palin!)
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