Fight To Reveal Obama's Birth Certificate Continues

Evening Bulletin ^ | 11/9/08 | John Connelly

[pissant]

Two of the plaintiffs in court cases against Sen. Barack Obama, the president-elect, are working to move their cases forward before his presidential inauguration.

Philip J. Berg, the attorney who filed suit against Mr. Obama challenging him to produce his original birth certificate to prove he meets the constitutional requirements to serve as U.S. president. Mr. Berg filed a Writ of Certiorari in the U.S. Supreme Court late in October, in an effort to force Mr. Obama to produce the document.

Accordingly, the U.S. Supreme Court has said that Mr. Obama, the DNC and all co-defendants are to respond to the writ, on or before Dec. 1.

The judge in Mr. Berg's original case ruled that Mr. Berg does not have standing to enforce the constitutional requirements on a presidential candidate. Mr. Berg appealed the ruling to the Supreme Court.

[TheThinker]

Part of me doesn't want to hope that this will work because I will feel so disappointed. I think that's the way many FReepers feel but it's pathetic to be honest.

Even if it doesn't work this can be the real start of the opposition to Obama. Plus, who is going to fight for the Constitution? Without belief in the Constitution we're nothing.

[Smokeyblue]

Wouldn’t we have to get President McCain/Vice President Palin since they would be the highest vote getters of legal contestants on the November 5th ballot?

Sorry I meant November 4th.

[null and void]

	Before election	DNC decides, method not specified
		RNC fills vacancy, reconvene convention or RNC state representitves vote, simple majority wins
	Just before the election	Congress may pass special legislation to move back election day to give more time for the party to select a new candidate and regroup
11/4	Election
	After election, but before Electoral College	No federal law. Electors open to vote for VP, third party, or convention runner up. State laws may affect elector's abilities to select.
12/15	Electoral College
	After Electoral College, before Congress counts the votes	Congress counts Electoral College votes and declares winner. Winner's VP gets it
		Or, Congress throws out votes. If a surviving candidate can be said to have a majority of votes, they get it.
		Or, Congress throws out votes. 12th Amendment, House of represetitives selects from top three candidates with the most votes. (surviving Democrat or Republican and two third party candidates?)
		20th Amendment, VP gets it, but only applies after candidate becomes 'Prsident-Elect" That could be after Electoral College.
1/6	Congressional Vote Count
	After Congressional count but before inauguration	20th Amendment, VP gets it, but only applies after candidate becomes 'Prsident-Elect" That is certainly after Congressional count.
1/20	Inauguration	VP gets it

[PhilDragoo]

As you indicate, one's suspicions are aroused when the candidate who could afford $650 million for a two-year campaign can't pony up at Kinko's for a copy of his birth certificate.

Despite ten thousand lies to the contrary, a Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) is not a birth certificate.

And, despite hundreds of whores from the Ministry of Truth insisting Hussein has produced documentation, all we are seeing is a Ratheresque TANG forgery undergoing serial manipulation.

Occam & Co. ask, why, when the truth would be simple, painless and cheap, does Hussein persist in presenting only a slighty less clumsy forgery.

Going out to the street to interview the first six passersby before press time we get one Homer Simpson Doh Moment:

The terrible truth is Hussein is not a natural born Citizen per U.S. Constitution Article II Section 1 Paragraph 5.

[biff]

Biden is a politician, wonder if he has a certified copy of the O’s birth certificate?? Maybe he needs to call ole Hillary and make a deal with her for the VP slot!!!!

Don’t think for a second that he would not sacrifice the O. Jeese, Biden has run for Pres how many times?

[Missouri gal]

RE: We would get Biden instead
Am not a lawyer, but I think not. If Obama was found to be ineligible to have been a candidate, then the candidate who got the most electoral votes would be the winner of the election. Biden would not likely become President unless Obama had been sworn into the office of President and Biden into the office of Vice President before a ruling took place, and maybe not then. If the Supremes were to find that Obama is ineligible before the electoral college has voted, then the electoral voters, having been advised that Obama is ineligible, could switch their votes to Biden, or another candidate, such as Hillary. Seems likely that there would be an eruption at that point, with Hillarycrats insisting she is the legitimate Democrat candidate.

Unfortunately, a ruling against Obama would probably generate so much bile and hate and whining from the African-American community, not to mention the Obamamaniacs, that it would be a ruling we would all regret.

What say the legal experts??

[BAW]

Biden might be easier to beat in four years. But, the damage he could do until then . . . .

[Dr. Bogus Pachysandra]

“The raised seal and authoritative signature needed to validate the document cannot be seen on the scan. “
Wasn’t there a case, discussed here a week or so ago, that said oblammo’s certificate was legit? Raised seal and all? I don’t think it was the BC though, but the COLB. Is there a BC in Kenya? Greasin’ the right palms might get it???

[Churchillspirit]

I doubt even the messiah can ignore an order from a Supreme Court judge - in this case Justice Souter.

[pissant]

I am not certain that he is not a natural born citizen. I am certain that something in his birth records is fouled up.

The other thing I’m certain of is that the COLB is a fraud, making Obama a felon.

[CheneyChick]

But will the SCOTUS have the nerve to actually demand that he put up or shut up? They have no way of enforcing their decisions........

Well, if they don't they might as well give up and change our form of government to a dictatorship. Kiss the legislative and the judicial branches good-bye. "Change we can believe in."

[Ingtar]

Actually, if he is removed, I would expect Hillary to take his place. If he is proven ineligible, then the House votes on a new president (one vote per state, I believe.) In that case I would see more voting for Hillary than Biden.

[Churchillspirit]

However, can you say President Biden?

Hey, we can dream. At least Biden would be more entertaining than the Indonesian.

[T Lady]

I'm no legal expert, but I certainly do agree with your assessment.

...This is one of the major reasons that I, a Black American, no longer vote Democrat. This party has done nothing but unrepairable harm to the American culture with it divisive platform. I loathe everything Democrats stand for, especially the blatant exploitation of Blacks and women.

[TommyDale]

It takes years to get a Constitutional Amendment. It will never happen.

[Kevmo]

complete zenith paramountcy
***Cool expression, good enough place to bump this thread.

[Red Badger]

In 1831 the Supreme Court of the United States, in a decision rendered by Justice, John Marshall, declared the forced removal of the entire Cherokee Nation from their ancestral homes in the South Eastern United States to be illegal, unconstitutional and against treaties made. President Andrew Jackson, having the executive responsibility for enforcement of the laws had this to say:

“John Marshall has made his decision; let him enforce it now if he can.”

[Frantzie]

Barr or Nader could really redeem themselves. They would be heroes to many as well as villians to many.

I read an article maybe on Atlas Shruggs where a constitutional attorney said that SCOTUS protects their turf from any President. He said even the liberal justices would or should be concerned if he was born here.

Where is the GOP, Hillary & Bill or Corzi or anyone who really knows the true story? The Clintons must know something.

Have electors joined the suit? What happens if Berg gets bounced by SCOTUS? Can he sue the electors?

I do not think Berg is going to back down.

[PUGACHEV]

Lack of standing, the basis on which the District Court dismissed Berg's Complaint, is and interesting and always highly technical issue. Let's say SCOTUS denys cert: one day someone else will certainly have standing to bring it again. You might argue that any official act that causes you a direct loss, a piece of legislation Obama signs into law, or an executive order, is invalid because Obama is not eligible to be president. I wonder if you would have standing in that case?

[Churchillspirit]

I like your reasoning.