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Reloading: Fear fuels nationwide weapons buying spree
The Missoula Independent ^ | November 13, 2008 | George Ochenski

Posted on 11/13/2008 12:20:22 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

The votes were barely counted and Barack Obama’s supporters were still dancing in the streets, buoyed by hope for a better tomorrow, when the news reports began to hit the wires. Obama’s victory brought a huge sigh of relief to those weary of the direction in which the country has been led for the last eight years. But on the other side of that coin, intense anger, fear and paranoia has sparked a flood of people nationwide to buy assault weapons and large amounts of ammunition.

Reports on the numbers of people buying guns and ammo over the last year has filtered out in blogs and tiny newspaper articles for some time. But as the election grew near, and especially after the outcome became known, a tidal wave of frantic buying has captured mainstream, front-page news from coast to coast and border to border, including a prominent Sunday spread in Missoula’s daily.

The most interesting thing is that the weapons and ammo most in demand are not the kind of rifles and bullets normally used for hunting, but the so-called “black guns” that are primarily for military and personal protection. These include, but are not limited to, the AK-47, undoubtedly the most widely used assault rifle in the world, and U.S. military counterparts such as the M-16 and AR15.

These guns all have one thing in common besides their military roots—they were outlawed for sale under the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban passed by Congress and signed into law by President Bill Clinton. The law banned all assault rifle semi-automatics with folding stocks, high-capacity clips, threaded barrels, pistol grips and grenade launcher attachments as well as certain types of pistols and shotguns.

The Assault Weapons Ban expired exactly 10 years later, on September 13, 2004, and neither President Bush nor Congress has attempted to re-instate it. More than a few political observers claim the ban was in large part responsible for the Democrats losing control of Congress for the ensuing decade.

But now, there’s fear sweeping the nation that the new and larger Democratic majorities in both the House and Senate will pass a new weapons ban and that President-elect Obama will sign it into law. If you don’t believe it, just go to a local sporting goods store that carries assault-style rifles and take a look around. Last week, following the election, the lines were three deep in front of every salesperson in my neighborhood gun shops. And late last week a front-page article in the Helena Independent Record interviewed the owner of a local sporting goods and gun shop who said he had just ordered 120,000 rounds of ammo, half of which was already pre-sold.

Or stop into the next gun show in your area. The gun show in Helena last weekend, for instance, set new attendance records and sold out of AK-47 ammo well before it ran out of customers. When I talked with one vendor about what was going on, he told me that the New York Times had called his Missoula shop last week and the reporter tried to get him to admit that it was just the National Rifle Association (NRA) spreading fear and driving the citizenry into purchasing assault rifles while they still could. Besides the gun ban, he added that there was great concern that Congress and Obama would approve a ban on any ammunition that could penetrate law enforcement body armor, which he said would include virtually all high-powered rifles. When I asked how the federal government would deal with those who reloaded their own bullets, he said that those kinds of questions remained unanswered at this time. The result is that the fear and apprehension continue to rise as the intentions of the new Congress and president remain uncertain.

While it would be one thing to say that right-wingers are up in arms (so to speak) over a potential future weapons ban, it would be incorrect to limit concerns only to them. There is considerable evidence that many from the progressive side of the political aisle are equally concerned—but for a different reason.

In their case, they fear that President Obama is literally walking around with a target on his chest. Given the assassinations of President Kennedy, his brother Robert Kennedy, and Martin Luther King, Jr.—as well as the attempted assassination of President Ronald Reagan—those fears are not unfounded. Pundits may proclaim that Obama’s victory has shown the nation is leaving racism behind, but it would be naïve to think that an almost evenly divided populace would somehow be purged of violent racists through the mere outcome of an election.

The supposition is that if President Obama is assassinated, the nation would be thrown into a violent and uncontrollable cataclysm that would pit citizens against each other in a way we haven’t seen since the race riots of the ’60s ravaged Watts, Detroit, Philadelphia and Washington, D.C., leaving hundreds of dead and injured in their wake and millions of dollars in damages. Given the extreme polarization of the populace during the Bush administration, such fears are certainly within the realm of possibility.

Finally, the vast uncertainty over the nation’s economic future must be factored into the equation. It’s well known that, in times of economic downturn, people buy guns and ammo. We here in Montana like to believe it’s for hunting, so we can put meat in our freezers. But you don’t buy AK-47s for hunting in our mega-cities, where big game is non-existent. The only things to shoot there are fellow human beings—in this case, those who would theoretically threaten to harm or loot individuals or families.

No one knows what the future holds, but we do know what’s happening right now. All we can do is hope for cool heads—and cooler trigger fingers—in the coming months, and for the health and safety of our president-elect.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Montana
KEYWORDS: 111th; 2ndamendment; banglist; bho2008; congress; election; guns; obama; obamatransitionfile; presidentelectobama; rtkba; secondamendment
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I could post a thread on this every 10 minutes, there are so many out there, from EVERY corner of the USA.
1 posted on 11/13/2008 12:20:22 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You forgot the barf alert.


2 posted on 11/13/2008 12:26:33 AM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Half of America was "dancing in the streets"--well for now, anyway. When they find out that 'DUH 1' isn't going to pay their mortgage or fill their gas tank, they aren't going to be so happy.

In the meantime, the rest of America is stocking up.

3 posted on 11/13/2008 12:29:13 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I thought Obama was going to eliminate fear, and want, and suspicion. I thought he was going to bring unity, and change.

In other words, "More Mush From the Wimp"

4 posted on 11/13/2008 12:47:54 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (1-22-13)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"fear and paranoia has sparked a flood of people nationwide to buy assault weapons and large amounts of ammunition."

Oh yeah, everyone's buying ASSAULT weapons.. They are illegal dumb @ss. What a downright blatant LIE, but what else do you expect from MSM.

The only one sparking fear and paranoia is the media, and it's intentional, all part of the plan to set up Obama to act on these fears generated by media.

5 posted on 11/13/2008 1:04:52 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All
Just remember when you read all these "America stocks up on guns" posts...

They are all "on the books..."

6 posted on 11/13/2008 1:05:14 AM PST by backhoe (All across America, the Lights are going out...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I heard Glen Beck say that articles like this one are nothing more than the MSM trying to make all conservatives look like pistol-packin’ militia men. On the contrary, I tend to believe that We The People are “stocking up” because we don’t believe Hussein’s statements that he’s not out to overturn the 2nd Amendment, especially when he’s telling NPR that he’s going to overturn state level concealed carry laws by passing a Federal ban. That’s not just the camel’s nose under the tent, it’s the head and half the hump (or one whole hump on the Bactrian variety).


7 posted on 11/13/2008 1:06:04 AM PST by pawdoggie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I can hardly wait for media to report children are buying “Assault” water guns.


8 posted on 11/13/2008 1:07:56 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
There is considerable evidence that many from the progressive side of the political aisle are equally concerned—but for a different reason.

In their case, they fear that President Obama is literally walking around with a target on his chest.

Well all the Presidential assassins and attempted assassins, that weren't attention seeking or barking mad, seem to have been progessives. Czolgosz (anarchist), Oswald (Marxist), Zangara (anticapitalist). In addition Booth was an actor and Guiteau a lawyer, so they were most likely Democrats.

9 posted on 11/13/2008 1:08:22 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (rules of governance in a free society: mind your own business, keep your hands to yourself - PJ O'R)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Emphasizing both reliability and kill power to the highest degree while bearing value in mind which are the best weapons for:

    • Bed to bedroom door.

    • 25-50 feet from target.

    • 50-300 feet from target.

    • 300-900 feet from target?

    • Would it be practical for a novice to own a weapon capable of killing at distances beyond 900-1000 feet?

10 posted on 11/13/2008 1:10:00 AM PST by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: backhoe
OOh my. Who's books?

What possible crime am I committing for pointing out the BS of the article?

I guess all the Nathan Zachary's out there better keep a look over their shoulders for the MIB tailing them.

And of course the backhoes. The Obama BIB's will be tailing all the backhoes digging basements.

11 posted on 11/13/2008 1:12:39 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: I see my hands

My weapon of choice is my trusty shot gun. Why would I want an “Assault” rifle to combat an intruder who is most likely going to try invade my home in the middle of the night while I’m sleeping.
Nobody has time to aim, much less stick scope to eye and seek out the target. Not that you’d be able to see anything anyways.

The shotgun is the best close proximity weapon, point and shoot, and be comfortable knowing that anything in it’s path with have a big hole in it.


12 posted on 11/13/2008 1:18:35 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
Every President we've ever had has been a target for some group or another. Obama is no exception, I expect.

As for the “paranoia” this author bandies about as if it actually exists, people ARE worried, not afraid, and certainly not “paranoid”. Hubby and I, wishing to be prepared, have added shotguns, a couple of rifles and lots of ammo.

The subject of this article is perfectly appropriate, however, the treatment reminds me more of something I would read in the NY Slimes, NOT a local Missoula, Montana paper. Those folks must have changed A LOT since I last visited there.

13 posted on 11/13/2008 1:23:20 AM PST by singfreedom
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To: Oztrich Boy

Actually, Guiteau was a Republican. His fixation on Garfield started when he felt he deserved to be assigned as consul in Vienna because he had given a few stump speeches promoting Garfield.

Guiteau was from my hometown, and he was quite mad by the time he shot the President. I can freepmail you an article I did on him if you’d like.

Booth was a Democrat...almost all Confederate sympathizers at the time were copperhead Democrats.


14 posted on 11/13/2008 1:26:23 AM PST by Mr. Silverback ("[Palin] has not even lived in the Lower 48 since 1987. Come on! Really!" --Polybius)
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To: Oztrich Boy
In their case, they fear that President Obama is literally walking around with a target on his chest.

Every president walks with a target on his chest! Andrew Jackson escaped assassination when his attacker's pistols misfired.

15 posted on 11/13/2008 1:29:00 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
As I read this headline, it is saying that the Citizens of the United States of America have become so fearful of those in power that they are choosing to arm themselves.

52% of the voters have decided to elect a menace to our God given Constitutional rights, and we are being portrayed as the delusional naive masses.

God help us, and God help our Nation.

16 posted on 11/13/2008 1:34:38 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (Democracy, two wolves and one sheep deciding what's for dinner.)
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To: singfreedom
The subject includes the claim people are buying "assault rifles" which of course isn't true. automatic firing weapons are illegal.

What they are buying is simply rifles, shotguns, handguns. But if it is black, and has a hand grip on it, It's an "Assault rifle" in those moron's eyes.

17 posted on 11/13/2008 1:35:09 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I know it won’t, but you would think the morons in washinton would be able to fire enough synapses to understand if people are rushing to buy guns in the face of the marxist messiah’s coronation, maybe outlawing guns would NOT be a healthy thing to attempt.

Here’s hoping all of those new gun owners are willing to actually use them when the time comes instead of being meek little sheep in the face of tyranny.

It’s going to be a long dark night before we see the dawn again...


18 posted on 11/13/2008 1:35:57 AM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (There are 1528 days until marxist occupation ends. What are you doing to shorten the war?)
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To: Nathan Zachary
The shotgun is the best close proximity weapon, point and shoot...

I'm thinking that people who buy AR-15s and such are wanting to kill the perpetrators before they get to into the house. I suppose that in the forthcoming food riots, defenders will need to hit moving targets before those targets let loose with molotov cocktails, bricks and such.

19 posted on 11/13/2008 1:37:33 AM PST by gotribe (obama just sucks - your wealth away)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
All we can do is hope for cool heads—and cooler trigger fingers—in the coming months, and for the health and safety of our president-elect.

Sheesh! They are trying to make it sound as if everyone who is buying guns & ammo right now have plans to assassinate BO. Talk about painting with a broad brush.

20 posted on 11/13/2008 1:40:00 AM PST by Siouxz ( Freepers are the best!!!)
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To: Nathan Zachary
I know. (Big sigh.) Ignorance seems to be ruling the day-—even in Missoula, Montana.
21 posted on 11/13/2008 1:45:09 AM PST by singfreedom
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To: gotribe

All depends where you live I suppose. In a city, You are most likely going to be defending against anything that comes through your door.

The shot gun will not only stop the perp in his tracks, but deposit him back outside the door, where he won’t be bleeding all over your rug.

When leaving your city house/ apartment, You’d probably want something concealed. People walking around the streets carrying long arms is a little difficult to picture, even in tough times.

Carrying around long arms would be more common in rural areas, Where you can watch for those trying to crash your front gate, or sneak up from surrounding property.

I doubt you’ll see much of that though. matial law would be quickly established, and road blocks would be set up to prevent escapee from leaving the cities in hopes of finding food in the country, which of course there isn’t any.
City people have a unrealistic image in their heads of what is in the rural country side. Farmers with fields full of nice veggies, LoL! Only in some southern states.

grazing on green wheat and oats would loose it’s appeal real fast.


22 posted on 11/13/2008 1:54:41 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: singfreedom

I didn’t go out and buy any guns at all. I did pick up a couple cross bows and healthy supply of bolts through.


23 posted on 11/13/2008 1:58:33 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Smokin' Joe
It reminds me of the Three Little Pigs, and the wisdom of building a home with brick.

Some day, that Big Bad Wolf is going to help himself to what he thinks is his own. The smart people are those who will have read the tea leaves and taken measures to protect life, limb and property, family and pets.

24 posted on 11/13/2008 2:35:14 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Just Watch! The MSM will change their tune & NOW have that our troops in Iraq are HEROES & WINNING.)
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To: Nathan Zachary

I’ll bet these kinds of FR threads freak out the DU Lurkers the most! They dont have any idea what kind of a tempest they have been stirring up. There is a lot of resentment and patriotism out there.


25 posted on 11/13/2008 2:36:42 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Just Watch! The MSM will change their tune & NOW have that our troops in Iraq are HEROES & WINNING.)
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To: randomhero97
The writer and the subsequent posters miss the main point of the rush to buy military-style weapons and ammunition: we are buying them because our "government" is about to tell us - permanently - that we can't buy them anymore.

Military-style weapons, like AR-15s, AKs, FALs, etc. are far more effective for one person against large groups than anything else and the government seems to have come to believe that American citizens should not be trusted with that kind of ability.

If we had militias in the original sense of militias being groups of armed citizens organized and trained ("regulated") together for the common defense, these would be the appropriate weapons they'd need.

We have since "evolved" to having highly militarized government and police organizations which want themselves to be armed to the teeth and swathed in body armor but want the common citizens to be as unarmed as possible. Anybody see a pattern?

The rush to buy "Assault Weapons" and ammunition is the recognition that a right, a connection to history, a status within our own society is about to be permanently taken away and some of us are scrambling to cling to the last vestige of what we used to be.

26 posted on 11/13/2008 2:36:46 AM PST by Chinstrap61a
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To: Nathan Zachary
They are illegal dumb @ss.

No they aren't.
27 posted on 11/13/2008 2:47:18 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It's not simply because we believe they're coming for guns. It also has a lot to do with the specter of Hitler's brownshirts coming to America Obamastyle:
"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
Just as strong and powerful as the US Military does not leave much to the imagination.
28 posted on 11/13/2008 3:04:51 AM PST by Dahoser (America's great untapped alternative energy source: The Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just picked up a new rifle myself yesterday. Ammo is still a little tough to come by, though.


29 posted on 11/13/2008 3:06:18 AM PST by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
and sold out of AK-47 ammo

I said on one of these threads yesterday, that .223's, .45ACP's, and 7.62x39mm's, are probably the hottest selling rounds. I am curious if anyone has seen any stats on what is getting sold out. (I wouldn't be surprised if 9mm Luger's are also on the list of rapidly disappearing)...

30 posted on 11/13/2008 3:08:41 AM PST by LRS (Just contracts; just laws; just a Constitution...)
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To: pawdoggie
Or as Glenn Beck pointed out yesterday in one segment...

The 2nd Amendment doesn't exist to protect hunters.

And whether the MSM reports it or not the purchases are not for any of the reasons listed above. Personal protection. Yeah...from the government, from the coming civil defence corp, from the smiley faced ....

You know I find it amazing to look at the differences between left and right some days. When the left lost ...they were or wanted to leave the country etc. When we lost ...we're not leaving the country, we're reorganizing the party, we're working to keep America, and we're willing to defend the Constitution.

The MSM is too scared to talk about what is really happening with the guns. To do so would be an admission of guilt to the betrayal of liberty.

31 posted on 11/13/2008 3:24:44 AM PST by EBH (Directives NSPD-51, HSPD-20, and Directive 10-289)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“those weary of the direction in which the country has been led for the last eight years”

What everyone misses with this statement is GWB is a Republican Socialist ans the US Congress is socialist.

So the direction we are heading towards is socialism and considering Bush and congress’s approval ratings it all makes sense.

Problem is everytime we run a RINO the left marks his positions as far right, thereby allowing them to move further left.

Purchased a 12 gauge pump yesterday, black.


32 posted on 11/13/2008 3:32:20 AM PST by stockpirate ($300 MDUS in illegal donations to O's campaign. Stolen election, where's the outrage?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Fear fuels nationworldwide weapons buying spree

Fixed it. Every nation in the world, but one, will be likely to increase arms spending in the next four years, as the prospect of a diminished U.S. military looms.

33 posted on 11/13/2008 3:58:39 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans.)
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To: backhoe
They are all "on the books..."

Maybe time to take a page from Acorn and start looking for ways to make the books indecipherable.

34 posted on 11/13/2008 4:10:17 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
But you don’t buy AK-47s for hunting in our mega-cities, where big game is non-existent.

This is off topic, but yesterday morning a little before dawn, I nearly hit a 6 point buck. He was standing in the fast lane of the northbound side of the Garden State Parkway, about a mile from Newark Airport. For those of you who don't know, that area is one of the most densely populated and urbanized areas in the whole country. How he got there I honestly couldn't imagine.

35 posted on 11/13/2008 4:32:21 AM PST by tcostell (MOLON LABE - http://freenj.blogspot.com - RadioFree NJ)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
... and a lot of 7.62 and 5.56mm Nato rounds also.

LLS

36 posted on 11/13/2008 4:33:43 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (GOD, Country, Family... except when it comes to dims! I am an UMA-unity my a$$)
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To: Nathan Zachary
A shotgun is not the best choice for dealing with an intruder in your home at three in the morning. you need two hands for it and need to either lead with the barrel or keep it pointed away from a potential target. A .38 revolver with soft points and a 150 grain load is far and away a wiser option.

Keep the scattergun for chasing evil doers off the porch.

37 posted on 11/13/2008 4:42:27 AM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: AmericanInTokyo

My thought is that cataloging one’s personal arsenal on a monitored site is a bit unwise.


38 posted on 11/13/2008 4:46:53 AM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The MSM thinks paranoia sells newspapers, since nothing else seems to sell newspapers.

As for the guns, sure people are buying them. I was in a local gun-shop last week and heard some interesting conversations. Most of the guys there were hunters and hobbyists who already owned guns and knew a lot about them. But there was a concern about ammo being taxed “500 percent,” and some customers were stocking up.

Owning a weapon in these times seems to me to be simple common sense. We live in a country that is increasingly fractured, where violence is a daily occurrence, often fueled by drugs, where riots are are not unknown, where criminals are armed,and where there are neighborhoods where even the police dread to go. It is also a country on the edge of an economic crisis.

Not a bad idea to be prepared for anything.


39 posted on 11/13/2008 4:59:41 AM PST by Malesherbes (Sauve Qui Peut)
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To: I see my hands
Would it be practical for a novice to own a weapon capable of killing at distances beyond 900-1000 feet?

A novice can buy a car capable of attaining nearly 200 miles per hour if he has enough money, without any kind of background check, waiting periods, or other government intervention.

40 posted on 11/13/2008 5:04:00 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Re: They are illegal dumb @ss

No they aren’t!

At least not yet.


41 posted on 11/13/2008 5:06:31 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Little known fact: Barack Obama translated into Kenyan means "Jimmy Carter")
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To: Nathan Zachary

Why do you need a shotgun at all? All you need is good locks on your doors and a phone to call 911.


42 posted on 11/13/2008 5:11:16 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: I see my hands
900 feet?

pretty much any gun is capable of killing someone at 900 feet. its a matter of being able to do it consistantly.
43 posted on 11/13/2008 5:15:01 AM PST by absolootezer0 ( Detroit: we're so bad, even our mayor is a criminal)
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To: wtc911

The MOST important thing to know about defending yourself in your home is to be able to hit the target quickly with multiple rounds regardless of the gun you are using. Handguns with hollow points are the best IMO for inside home defense. Shotguns have their purpose but even with an 18” barrel, the pattern does not open up sufficiently to be just a point and shoot weapon. Across a 15 foot room, 00 will open up about 8 inches. Of course, just racking the weapon may be enough to send them on their way while a hand gun may not have that fear factor.

Vince


44 posted on 11/13/2008 5:17:28 AM PST by Mouton
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
...deal with those who reloaded their own bullets...

Does anyone here reload their own "bullets"?

45 posted on 11/13/2008 5:23:40 AM PST by CPOSharky (Coming up: Four years of Jimmuh Cartah on crack.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"These include, but are not limited to, the AK-47, undoubtedly the most widely used assault rifle in the world, and U.S. military counterparts such as the M-16 and AR15."

Quit Reading right there another press idiot who cannot tell one gun from another. Like I said on another thread - tell me where I can buy assault weapons and I am all over it like 7 on 8.

46 posted on 11/13/2008 5:23:59 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

While it would be one thing to say that right-wingers are up in arms (so to speak) over a potential future weapons ban, it would be incorrect to limit concerns only to them. There is considerable evidence that many from the progressive side of the political aisle are equally concerned—but for a different reason.

In their case, they fear that President Obama is literally walking around with a target on his chest. Given the assassinations of President Kennedy, his brother Robert Kennedy, and Martin Luther King, Jr.—as well as the attempted assassination of President Ronald Reagan—those fears are not unfounded. Pundits may proclaim that Obama’s victory has shown the nation is leaving racism behind, but it would be naïve to think that an almost evenly divided populace would somehow be purged of violent racists through the mere outcome of an election.

The supposition is that if President Obama is assassinated, the nation would be thrown into a violent and uncontrollable cataclysm that would pit citizens against each other in a way we haven’t seen since the race riots of the ’60s ravaged Watts, Detroit, Philadelphia and Washington, D.C., leaving hundreds of dead and injured in their wake and millions of dollars in damages. Given the extreme polarization of the populace during the Bush administration, such fears are certainly within the realm of possibility.


This is total bias and irresponsible journalism...Period...

To ASSume that those of us who understand and value the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, most appropriastely the Second Amendment, will in large part honor the office of the President of these United States, but we will be ever vigilant and scrutinize every move made by that elected official, and will protect that person occupying that position no matter what...That is just what we have to do...Period...

We are being setup to be the fall guys and gals on this, that it is just so surreal and almost comical to a point...The yammer-heads that lead the dunderheads that voted for this socialist are being fed this crap, and its going to hurt everyone in the country before anything has (or will) happen...

I for one (as much as I vehemently oppose the policies and sgenda of Obama) leave those differences at that...

If I hear or see any credible crud about taking someone out, I promise I will bust you from here to Christmas...We are better than this here, thats why I hang out and throw my nonsense opinions out there for others to laugh at...

Its a frustrating position for us to be in, but we will weather this storm...

Now...If I thought I could get into the next gunshow here in Houston without camping out the night before at the door...hehehe

This is just going to be priceless to even watch...

$10 for parking, $6-7 to get in the door...

Seeing the tables cleared of anything functional that goes BANG...That’s priceless...


47 posted on 11/13/2008 5:27:04 AM PST by stevie_d_64
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To: backhoe

Yeah. So..........?


48 posted on 11/13/2008 5:27:51 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: wtc911

I kinda wonder that myself...

But then again that 20mm Lahti rifle I have (in my dreams) is sure fun to shoot feral pigs with (in my dreams)...They just kinda explode...(in my dreams)...

I can see it coming...The hate is welling in some people...hehehe


49 posted on 11/13/2008 5:30:12 AM PST by stevie_d_64
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Wow. Tying increased gun sales with racism and assassination possibilities.

Who'd a thought that would happen. /s

50 posted on 11/13/2008 5:31:20 AM PST by Pistolshot ("Democrats don't show respect, they just demand respect " - ClearCase_guy)
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