Guess I’ll leave the left hand comment off the table... I couldn’t assume you meant I’m a liberal. I was suggesting you were off base saying any system in America is a slam on China. And you are.
“My point, that I have backed up with my own actions is: I trust the adoption system of China over the social services liberals of our own country.” Your trust in the Chinese adoption system does not validate the system itself. It only validates your experience.
My initial charge that the Chinese are not above wresting children from their parents is absolutely substantiated. Whether it’s the Olympics or direct employment for government purposes it’s too well documented.
In the case of adoption, the one-child policy has created scores of abandoned children... especially females since the male child is preferred in that society. In many cases there is thought to be pressure brought to bear by the government to give these children over for adoption. More often than not it is suggested that they are adopted out to foreigners because they make more money that way.
The fact we have our own problems here in America is not in question. The fact that your child(ren) will have a better opportunity here than they would ever have in China is also without question. Should we point out that there are problems with America? Absolutely. Are we anywhere near the level of China? Not a chance.
As an aside, concerning your account name, I’m not missing the obvious scriptural reference. Your child will have one opportunity here that the officials who approved and handled their adoptions in China will never have...
I’d much rather work with you to make sure we retain that priveledge.
I certainly did not mean to imply you are a liberal; I can get pointed at times, but that would be over the top.
Your trust in the Chinese adoption system does not validate the system itself. It only validates your experience.
My experience and the experience of millions of others does more than validate our own individual experiences. Perhaps what you are suggesting that it does not validate a government system that places so many in the horrific decision of abandoning a child, or supports a mindset that makes it ok. I agree completely with that.
My initial charge that the Chinese are not above wresting children from their parents is absolutely substantiated. Whether it’s the Olympics or direct employment for government purposes it’s too well documented.
Can't argue with that one either. My wife and I have seen the physical and mental capability of our adopted daughter. We wonder sometimes if either would have been exploited for the state, or if she would have just been ignored as a byproduct of a warped system. We are grateful to God for her as for our other children.
In the case of adoption, the one-child policy has created scores of abandoned children... especially females since the male child is preferred in that society. In many cases there is thought to be pressure brought to bear by the government to give these children over for adoption. More often than not it is suggested that they are adopted out to foreigners because they make more money that way.
While there is pressure from the government, what you are implying is an oversimplification. The nature of their society is that parents are cared for in old age by their sons. The governmental pressure is for one child. But there is economic pressure as well. On the train from Guangzhou to Hong Kong virtually every parcel of land on either side of the tracks was used by locals to grow food on their own patch of ground. Daughters are abandoned because there is already one or more children in the family and they cannot support another, or they desire a son rather than a daughter to provide the desired support. Even after seeing the extent of the population of China it is difficult to wrap my mental arms around it. The one child policy has been relaxed recently and the wait for adoption in China has increased from ~6 months up to as long as 2 years.
The Orphanage where our daughter came from is no longer in use because they built a new building on adjacent property. She was clean and well cared for over her first 18 months there, and this was supported by the photographs taken by the workers at the facility. Is this common? Unfortunately I don't think it is. Our daughter was blessed to have come through that particular system. The daughters of nearly all other parents we have spoken with didn't receive the care level she did, but they were cared for and healthy.
I have spoken extensively with Chinese people, parents, who emigrated to the US from China. They typically have a strong dislike for their government, but love China and want to see the terrible things that we are both aware of corrected. They are sensitive to the loss is children there - it is one of the reasons adoptions have slowed. Again I mention that there are restrictions on who can adopt. If it was only about money why would a new building be built? Why would there be restrictions? Yes some of what I cite is emperical, but much is not. Your experience is based on a Time article or the like, extrapolated to the adoption system.
The fact we have our own problems here in America is not in question. The fact that your child(ren) will have a better opportunity here than they would ever have in China is also without question. Should we point out that there are problems with America? Absolutely. Are we anywhere near the level of China? Not a chance.
Do children in America have a better chance? of course. I didn't contest that. But then, that depends on some things doesn't it? What does America do with it's unwanted children? You know the answer. I submit that America's murder of millions of its children for money is more disgusting and evil than even the "sale" of children you suggest that takes place in China.
As an aside, concerning your account name, I’m not missing the obvious scriptural reference. Your child will have one opportunity here that the officials who approved and handled their adoptions in China will never have...
Agreed, brother.
I’d much rather work with you to make sure we retain that priveledge.
It would be my privilege and pleasure.