Posted on 11/14/2008 12:39:56 PM PST by ConservativeStatement
A city cop shot and killed a man in a Brooklyn church parking lot Thursday after he threatened to bash her with a folding chair.
"Drop the chair! Drop the chair!" Officer Dawn Ortiz yelled in English and then in Spanish. "Stop!"
But he wouldn't drop the chair or stop, police and witnesses said.
And when he was practically on her, the officer fired once - hitting him in the chest, said NYPD Deputy Commissioner Paul Browne.
(Excerpt) Read more at nydailynews.com ...
These dangerous folding chairs belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.
I guess the ChairMan is a Board....
Seriously, I know the area and it’s baaad. As bad as any of the worst parts of the rotten Apple.
Don’t want to sound like a liberal criminal sympathizer or anti-cop, but one must ask: Who was the ChairMan treatening? This wasnt some guy driving a car or waving a gun/knife’/etc.
Big friggn deal...corner the guy or wait him out.
Now I don’t know what’ll happen to the cop, but she’s damn lucky she’s not a white male who shot a non-white person. She’d be “facing the chair”
“Wow. Just wow. You are delusional if you can’t see the difference between the way the job was done years ago and the way it is done today.”
Indeed. Perhaps alot of these pro-shoot him folks are too young to remember when cops routinely handled these problems without even using a night stick. Real cops have been grappling with crazies and drunks for hundreds of years. This was before the modern 110# female cops who need a gun to subdue a pimply faced kid. I once watched 2 female cops try to subdue an average sized 16 year old male wanted for some minor offence. They each had one of his arms and were trying to cuff him. They couldn’t do it. After a minute one of the male officers from a backup unit walked over and cuffed him easily. The point is that now they have had to change the rules regarding deadly force since they cant punish the tiny females when they have to shoot someone a male officer would easily overpower.
Thank you for making my point. It is specifically because the WRONG people were there that this became a lethal force incident.
You read it. Nice try with the cop technicality “simple assult”. Real face saver (if I’m stupid).
And, SD, if you have ever been hit with one of those damned steel folding chairs, you would lose all sympathy for a thug who would swing one. And, if you have any sense at all, you will NOT try to take one away from anyone bent on damging people — I tried it once and it cost me a broken arm and several bruises. Never again.
the use of a weapon makes it a felony.
i wonder what people would be saying if this story said aluminum bat instead of aluminum chair.
So how does that change the situation? A mentally disabled person can kill you just as quick as a 2 time felon.
Maybe it is cliche to actually believe that the primary mission of police is to “serve and protect”. If that is secondary to the safety of the officer then they have chosen the wrong line of work.
No it's not, it's a hot dog.
Maybe he spoke broken English and somehow asked her to sit in his chair and eat his hot dog...she took it the wrong way.
Yeah, typical cop .... :)
I guess it comes down to what a life is worth ... cops are supposedly trained to handle situations like that, you’re not. I guess training is out, just shoot. Again, there were enough people there to over power the guy ....
“i wonder what people would be saying if this story said aluminum bat instead of aluminum chair.”
A bat’s more problematic. It swings faster and has greater deadly potential. A bat like a knife isn’t, or at least at one time wasn’t, NECCESSARILY a deadly force situation. In the matter of facing a bat or a knife if a cop pulls his gun I’m not going to second guess him if I wasn’t there. But I have never seen a successful chair attack. In fact I have been so impressed in my life by the uselessness of a chair (unless used from BEHIND) as a weapon that I think I would be afraid to use one offensivly. I have done and I have seen done many times the target of the chair attack simply dodge, grab a leg or crossbrace and proceed to feed the would be attacker his ‘weapon’ even while the attacker still has both hands on the weapon.
No crap, dude, I’m sorry for you and I’m sorry for us all if you’d level deadly force against a chair.
Please, quit your job and go sweep up vomit in the subways-you are too unstable for your current position.
Good Call. You wouldn’t be able to help many citizens in the future with a chair sticking out of your head. I vote for citizens respecting police authority at the scene. People seem to forget that there is a huge criminal justice system (weighted in their favor) out there for them to plead their side of the case at a later date. The only excuse this chair swinger had was that he knew that he was already way beyond wrong and could never justify his behavior.
Never bring a chair to a gunfight.
Aren't you a little troubled,though, at the lowering of the threshold for lethal force by those who unnecessarily placed themselves in a position of risk?
What threshold was lowered?
You make it sound as though the officer should be able to do a complete mental analysis, in a situation, that can flare in very few seconds. Had the officer been lucky enough, to actually ID the subject before hand, then it may have been handled differently. But that doesn't happen too often, things go sideways before communications can be completed. How about we keep the mentally disabled off the streets for they're own good?
Are you accusing the officer of carrying a drop chair? I think too many citizens are deaf to authority at a scene. They have a whole big criminal justice system prejudiced in their favor to examine the facts of the incident and they choose to attack the police. Darwin is given more credibility every day.
While I understand the point you are trying to make; a bat and a chair are very different and I would react much differently to each one.
I suppose the best way to illustrate my point is to have one team batting with a chair and the other with a baseball bat. While it would be easier to hit the ball with a chair, the force is spread and I think we both know which would be hitting the home runs.
As far as the case as a whole; I am either smart or stupid enough to say, “I was not there and can’t be sure”.
They're not Doctors and they're not Psychologists, they're Peace Officers. If an officer doesn't get that information in time, there's nothing you can do. Do you want a big D on your ID for diabetic or an M for mental disability's? Not sure that would go over very well. Too often the facts aren't found out until there's been a terrible tragedy.
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