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The United Methodist Church vs. George W. Bush
American Thinker ^ | November 15, 2008 | Matthew May

Posted on 11/15/2008 1:23:37 PM PST by Kukai

"For most of his presidency, he was beset by critics on all sides. He found himself operating in a perpetual cross fire from congressmen, governors, generals, office seekers, ordinary citizens - all dissatisfied, and many sincerely convinced that he was incompetent and leading the nation down the path of destruction."[1] - Douglas Wilson, Lincoln's Sword

"Towards all this external evil, the man within the breast assumes a warlike attitude, and affirms his ability to cope single-handed with the infinite army of enemies. To this military attitude of the soul we give the name of Herosim." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Years, decades and -- God-willing -- centuries hence, students of American history will look back to the years 2001-2009 and wonder just why was so much vituperation, insult, and venom trained upon George W. Bush. Prologues of biographies and books about the 43rd president's life and administration will feature quotes from writers, pundits and political hacks, senators, congressmen, and candidates declaring the mendacity, malice and criminality of President Bush, a tyrant unlike any other. Such statements, however, will be presented as mockery. As it is with many biographies of Abraham Lincoln, they will be presented as their own words laughing back at them.

Denunciation of President Bush has emanated from seemingly all corners of the world. Few individuals or groups have matched the slurs, lies, and outright hatred that have come from officials of the United Methodist Church (UMC), which incidentally happens to be the church of George W. Bush. Official UMC has portrayed President Bush as a war criminal, wicked and wickedly ignorant; an object of derision unworthy of the church and its educational institutions. They have distorted and denied his accomplishments while distorting and denying the teachings of the founder of Methodism...

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush43; christians; methodists; religiousleft; umc

1 posted on 11/15/2008 1:23:37 PM PST by Kukai
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To: Kukai
Bush's problem is he just sat there and took it. I don't know what human being could take what he took without breaking down. Still the venom directed at Bush is not his fault as much as its the nation's abiding shame.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 11/15/2008 1:27:02 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Kukai

I was raised UMC but gave up on them over 20 years ago. I see they are still trending downward!


3 posted on 11/15/2008 1:28:00 PM PST by packrat35 (To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women...)
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To: goldstategop

“Bush’s problem is he just sat there and took it. I don’t know what human being could take what he took without breaking down.”

Jesus?


4 posted on 11/15/2008 1:31:08 PM PST by eCSMaster
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To: All

If anyone has a chance, take a look at their “book of resolutions” it’s basically a treatise on how much they hate President Bush. What will they do when Bush is no longer around to hate?

I have never seen a more closed minded group than the people that run the UMC. I attend because my wife is a member and she attends because her mother is a member.


5 posted on 11/15/2008 1:33:57 PM PST by newnhdad (The longest of journeys begins with one step.)
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To: goldstategop
Bush had a lot of problems: poor communication, stupid choices, misguided directon, and plain bad luck.

But the United Methodist Church has at its core a hierarchy more reminiscent of a pacifist church than a mainline Protestant Church.

I don;t think John Wesley was a pacifist. I think this crept into the UMC after the Methodist church joined with a hairbrained German derived sect called the United Brethren to become the “United” Methodist Church. I believe these wack jobs borough pacifism into the Methodist congregation sometime in the earl or mid 1950’s when opposition to all war was adopted as a tenet by that group.

Most individual Methodists today probably are ignorant of this position by their church or ignore it, but the Church hierarchy - they have Bishops - promulgate it.

The problems of the UMC are in part a reflection of the problems all mainstream Christian Churches are undergoing today due to their “Activist” ministers and priest. No longer is the teaching of Christ the underpinning of what they present. Rather it is a gospel of “this world” “social justice” written by Marx, Engels and Castro.

6 posted on 11/15/2008 1:40:13 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: newnhdad

“I attend because my wife is a member and she attends because her mother is a member.”

I personally know the disease - I had it. But I convinced her to leave it - we both did.


7 posted on 11/15/2008 1:41:30 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Kukai

LOL - Definitely not the Methodist Church I grew up in in West Texas. Just a bunch of homo equivocators now.


8 posted on 11/15/2008 1:42:04 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life ;o)
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To: Kukai

Imagine if we did what the leftists wanted on Spetember 11th and just tried to use diplomacy and policing powers to resolve the issues.

1. Afghanistan was on the verge of famine. It probably would have been on a scale comparable to Ethiopia of the eighties or North Korea of the nineties. Millions would have died.

2. We would have been hit again by terrorists, probably on multiple occasions.

3. India and Pakistan might well have gone to war, leading to millions of deaths. This one is unknowable, of course, but Bush’s engagement in the region clearly helped maintain a fragile relative peace.

Okay, Bush hasn’t been perfect. But when a Republican chooses to engage the enemy, it’s a newsflash when one person dies. When Democrats choose to cut and run, it’s not mentioned when thousands or even millions die as a result. Why is Bush supposed to be blamed for the four thousand American troops lost in Iraq, but the Democratic leadership of Congress in the seventies gets no blame for the millions dead after the hasty U.S. withdrawal from Vietnam?


9 posted on 11/15/2008 1:42:52 PM PST by Our man in washington
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To: Liberty Valance

Look at the Episcopalins, Anglicans, Presbyterians and Lutherans.

In an effort to become more “inclusive” they have abandoned their principles.


10 posted on 11/15/2008 1:43:40 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: goldstategop
Bush's problem is he just sat there and took it. I don't know what human being could take what he took without breaking down. Still the venom directed at Bush is not his fault as much as its the nation's abiding shame

When you have a solemn fiduciary responsibility to the nation and its people, "just sitting there and taking it" is no virtue. He allowed his enemies, despicable as they are, to destroy the people's trust in his office by his passivity. Lies unrebutted and slanders unanswered become operating truths.

This isn't all about him after all. He initiated his administration's policies but we all are paying a bitter price for his lofty indifference to defending them.

11 posted on 11/15/2008 1:44:13 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: newnhdad

I attend because my wife is a member

I’m sorry but this is a most pathetic excuse to take part in such a hypocritical group attempting to pass themselves off as followers of the Lord Jesus Christ. Tell the woman you are going elsewhere and let the chips fall where they may.


12 posted on 11/15/2008 1:44:22 PM PST by rj45mis
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To: goldstategop
Since there over 33,000 different sects of Christianity, what the UMC says has to be taken with a grain of salt - how many churches refuse to denounce homosexual "marriage", abortion, etc.?

I'm currently attending a Methodist church down here in Mississippi and the pastor may not care for all that President Bush has done (the pastor is a true conservative, but he made it clear that he preferred Bush to Gore, Kerry, and especially Obama. Whenever a "church" bashes anyone like the Prez, I wonder if they are true Christians - too many seem to forget that ALL the Bible is the Word of God, not just the parts they either agree with or can twist to suit their own form of perversion.

Keep on trucking - I've enjoyed your posts for some time.

13 posted on 11/15/2008 1:49:12 PM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: Kukai
"My recommendation to the Big-3: CHAPTER 11"

My recommendation to the big three execs is to find a way to get bail out money and then blow it on whores and drugs. That's where the money was headed after it was stolen from you for in the first place.


14 posted on 11/15/2008 1:50:33 PM PST by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: I see my hands

Has the UM Church become more Liberal in general?
What exactly is their stance on gay marriage and abortion?
Wasn’t there a dust up about the UM Church and Catapiller, something about supporting Israel?

Can someone help me learn more about my wifes Church?


15 posted on 11/15/2008 1:59:35 PM PST by YankeeMagic
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To: Our man in washington
"Imagine if we did what the leftists wanted on September 11th and just tried to use diplomacy and policing powers to resolve the issues"

Based on your premise the analysis makes sense. I disagree, however, with your read of what leftists wanted on 9/11. I believe they wanted the attacks to continue. I believe they still do.


16 posted on 11/15/2008 2:08:07 PM PST by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: Kukai

Exodus 22:28 says “You shall not curse the gods, nor curse the rulers of your people”.

Apparently the UMC is ignorant of what really matters.


17 posted on 11/15/2008 2:20:14 PM PST by KStorm (Socialism is Capitalism's parasite. Palin/...... 2012, baby.)
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To: packrat35
I was raised UMC but gave up on them over 20 years ago.

I gave up on them when the Minister(I think San Francisco) was on page one dancing down the isle with Angela Davis. If you don't know about her you should.

18 posted on 11/15/2008 2:21:37 PM PST by itsahoot (We will have world government. Whether by conquest or consent. Looks like that question is answered)
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To: YankeeMagic
The Methodist church is suffering from the same problem many others are having, a crisis in leadership.

In the upper echelons of “power” intellectual and academic centered “ministers” have worked their way into leadership nationally, since their focus has not been on their congregations or the word, but on joining their fellow liberals in saving the world. They are just doing under a different banner, trading the red with golden star for the Methodist cross and flame, using the giving and forgiveness aspects of Christ's acts as their “example” whilst leaving off the moral aspects of his ministry. Most of these folks are from up north of course.

Sadly, those ordained who have been doing their jobs have not had the time to stem the tide, the needs of a modern church and it's congregation are demanding. So outside the occasional conference, they have little opportunity to fight this effort. Add to that the nature of the calling, to be a peace maker and such, and open turf battles are unseemly.

In the end it is the congregations job to fight this battle, and it is happening. That's why I question people leaving the church, for as in my case it is my church, and my beliefs, these “new age” Methodist are the outsiders, trying to change the church and what it stands for. To leave is to surrender what is mine. Plus here in the south I am very much not alone. Many are now seeing what has until recently been a very subtle and distant yet building change. I think there will finally be a fight for the soul of this church, as there have been and will be in many others.

One solace, as the Lord has often said, this to shall pass.

19 posted on 11/15/2008 2:27:01 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 11-4-2012)
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To: trebb
how many churches refuse to denounce homosexual "marriage", abortion, etc.?

Only one. Hard to find though in this generation. The Bible gives a lot of hints, if you are attending for anything other than social reasons, you can find one.

20 posted on 11/15/2008 2:32:49 PM PST by itsahoot (We will have world government. Whether by conquest or consent. Looks like that question is answered)
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To: YankeeMagic
Can someone help me learn more about my wifes Church?

You might try reading up on John Wesely, then compare that with the message being taught. Should be plenty of ammo.

21 posted on 11/15/2008 2:35:27 PM PST by itsahoot (We will have world government. Whether by conquest or consent. Looks like that question is answered)
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To: ejonesie22

You sound like you are in the same boat with me, though I must say, the UMC church here in South Georgia doesn’t seem to be quite on the same page as the uppity-ups.

Fortunately, the current crowd will be retiring soon. We can only hope for more intelligent leadership above.

Keep praying!


22 posted on 11/15/2008 2:35:36 PM PST by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: YankeeMagic

As to their position on abortion, the Methodist Church is the largest mainline denomination that supports abortion, it is stated in their book of discipline. That document is full of positions that I am sure would prompt you to reconsider your house of worship, or at the very least what you are funding with your tithe/contributions.


23 posted on 11/15/2008 3:07:23 PM PST by hobie-one
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To: newnhdad

“I attend because my wife is a member and she attends because her mother is a member.”

Yeah, me too. Even though our church is in a rapidly growing suburb, it’s bleeding members. The new assistant pastor is a total pacifist and tries to talk kids out of military service.


24 posted on 11/15/2008 3:14:37 PM PST by henkster (It's time for a conservative "long march through the institutions.")
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To: Liberty Valance

Around here, they are doing their damnedest (not a pun at all) to get to the left of the UCC. It’s enough to make a maggot gag.


25 posted on 11/15/2008 3:22:16 PM PST by Past Your Eyes (All points of view tolerated...as long as they agree with mine.)
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To: I see my hands
I disagree, however, with your read of what leftists wanted on 9/11. I believe they wanted the attacks to continue. I believe they still do.

That's just about the harshest slam of leftists I've ever read on FR. What's your reasoning for thinking so? That's an honest question, not rhetorical.

For the sake of discussion, I'll assume you're talking about the extreme leftists. Most of my family are leftists, and they oppose terrorist attacks.

26 posted on 11/15/2008 3:31:06 PM PST by Our man in washington
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To: Liberty Valance

One Methodist church in Houston, Bering UMC, signed on to the “Queer Jesus” theology/heresy over a decade ago.


27 posted on 11/15/2008 4:06:57 PM PST by Fred Hayek (Leftism is a mental disorder)
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To: Our man in washington
What's your reasoning for thinking so?

On 9-11, just a few hours after the buildings fell, while the pentagon was still on fire, I had two liberals in two different incidents express that they felt that the U.S. deserved the attacks that had befallen us that day.

Anecdotal yes, but when you add the democrats history of throwing every monkey wrench they can get their hands on into the war on terror, you get a clear view of their intent.

Dems have attempted to bestow full constitutional rights on enemy combatants. They have deliberately alienated allies. they have deliberately manufactured lies in order to aid enemies of the U.S.

It is difficult to come to any other conclusion.

28 posted on 11/15/2008 4:08:35 PM PST by bad company (How much easier is self-sacrifice than self-realization)
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To: itsahoot

Yes I know about her.


29 posted on 11/15/2008 4:30:39 PM PST by packrat35 (To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women...)
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To: Our man in washington

"That's just about the harshest slam of leftists I've ever read on FR. What's your reasoning for thinking so? That's an honest question, not rhetorical. For the sake of discussion, I'll assume you're talking about the extreme leftists. Most of my family are leftists, and they oppose terrorist attacks"

You believe leftists. You provide them succor and support, love and cherish them. I don't. That's why you can't even fathom their evil.

You assume incorrectly I'm making reference to extreme leftists. I don't provide leftist with the the excuse of degrees of evil. Not a leftist, not a suicide bomber, nor a child rapist. No one gets to be those things "lite".

I've observed the left all my life. When someone walks down the road of death their destination is death.

You're enabling your family, you're doing them no favors.


30 posted on 11/15/2008 4:58:18 PM PST by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: YankeeMagic

I’ll advise you to read their “book of resolutions”. The church hierarchy writes like they’re quoting from Kos and DU.
The have a problem with Taco Bell and the Mt Olive Pickle Company, I kid you not. I expected the thing to end with “workers of the world, UNITE!” like the communist manifesto.

I’m sure they’ll put out a few “resolutions” that state how great Obama is at their next convention.


31 posted on 11/15/2008 7:15:03 PM PST by newnhdad (The longest of journeys begins with one step.)
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