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1 posted on 11/15/2008 5:32:16 PM PST by Penn4God
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To: Penn4God

Have you seen what has been going on in California? Churches are being vandalized for speaking up against Gay Marriage. Churches led the fight to pass Proposition 8 and now the Gaystapo is punishing them for their votes. So, they haven’t exactly been silent there.


2 posted on 11/15/2008 5:38:22 PM PST by Reaganesque
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I told a pastor this just last night.


3 posted on 11/15/2008 5:38:56 PM PST by TommyDale (I) (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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When a guest speaker in a major non-denominational church in Ft. Lauderdale made reference to the beliefs of the candidates and who was more aligned with Christian values, someone in the congregation sent a *certified letter* of complaint, as well as several phone calls with complaints. The pastor made a public apology the next week. Me thinks the churches are being monitored by those who believe in The One.


4 posted on 11/15/2008 5:39:09 PM PST by Bluebird Singing
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Is that when the muzzling of the churches happened? With LBJ/ tax code law? It definitely goes against the First Amendment. Many of the militia members during the Revolutionary War came from the churches. Came out of the churches, after a sermon, and joined the fight right then. Including the pastors.

It seems so wrong that the churches are silenced. In fact, must be the next fight. Of course, really only some of them are. Clinton campaigned in the black churches. The liberal ones around here MUST have supported obama (little o, not a Real God).


5 posted on 11/15/2008 5:41:11 PM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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Look, it’s simple. If you’re a black church, you can say, do ANYthing.......even hosting your favorite lib candidate, especially if he’s black.

Try that in a predominantly white church in middle America; I dare you.


7 posted on 11/15/2008 5:44:38 PM PST by RightOnline
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Good argument for the flat tax with no deductions .
8 posted on 11/15/2008 5:45:45 PM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know F/8 Cav)
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The Catholic CHurch was pretty vocal about Obama, abortion and the danger to the souls of Catholics who voted for him, as well as threating to cut off Catholic politicians ofrm the Catholic community for supporting him.

AS for the others, most of them were pretty silent or openly supported the Obamanation, or if they opposed him, were given little or no coverage.

Western Christianity is a ripe pumb ready to fall into the bloody, flithy hands of the Muslims.


10 posted on 11/15/2008 5:48:08 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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hmmmm...


12 posted on 11/15/2008 5:50:01 PM PST by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
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This is a phoney problem which would not exist if churches were not tax exempt. I don't believe that churches, and related religious entities, should be tax exempt to begin with. They want to have it both ways. But if they are going to benefit from special treatment they will have to dance to the piper's tune.
14 posted on 11/15/2008 5:51:27 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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I’m sure no one wants me to get on my soapbox but this has been foretold in the Bible about the last days events. The churches are silent because godly preaching is almost non-existent in these days. No one preaches holiness, hell, damnation, true salvation and like items.


16 posted on 11/15/2008 5:52:24 PM PST by pctech
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This issue should not go away. The only way to see a change is to put pressure on pastors and religious leaders to step out regardless of circumstances. Guts are the way to go!


17 posted on 11/15/2008 5:53:54 PM PST by truthingod
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"In view of the 2008 election, the Christian churches have been noticeably silent. Is this reluctance due to their fear of losing the tax exempt status?"

This hasn't silenced any of the black churches for the past 50-60 years, has it? Where do they think the civil rights movement was born and promoted? Right, Rev. Wright?
21 posted on 11/15/2008 5:57:39 PM PST by FrankR (Operation Tightbelt...he can't redistribute what isn't there...stop all un-necessary spending.)
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Do we call this a free republic?

One of the original intents of the 1st amendment was to allow churches to speak freely against the gov't. Many of the original pilgrims came to this land to escape religious persecution by the king, and the founding fathers did not want that to be repeated.

So to answer your question, "NO!"

23 posted on 11/15/2008 6:01:02 PM PST by HusbandMan
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There was a time when church leaders were not afraid to speak out. It was the church leaders who led the successful fight against slavery.

Today, we have a greater evil than slavery - the gruesome murder of unborn children. The majority of voters just approved of these murders.

And all the present day church leaders can do is worry about their tax-exempt status? I would challenge them to take a stand, no matter what the cost, against this continued barbarism.

And I would challenge all here to think, if this Union exists to allow the murder of millions of unborn children, is it not time to dissolve the Union?


25 posted on 11/15/2008 6:02:55 PM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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Religious leaders are fearful of losing the tax-exempt status if they speak out strongly regarding moral positions that candidates hold.

If that's the case maybe somebody should remind them of something Jesus said regarding the paying of taxes. After asking who's face is on the coin, He said, "Give unto Caesar that which is Ceasar's and give unto God that which is God's".

31 posted on 11/15/2008 6:06:31 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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Kinda reminds you of; “You have relatives in the old country,yes?”


40 posted on 11/15/2008 6:16:10 PM PST by Uncle George
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>In view of the 2008 election, the Christian churches have been noticeably silent.<

Because they are aware that they gave to Ceasar that which belongs to God.


41 posted on 11/15/2008 6:19:17 PM PST by 353FMG (The sky is not falling, yet.)
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If the restriction on free speech was enforced to the degreethe ambiguity of the law allows, it could motivate anough ministries to lobby for it’s appeal. But a frog is best boiled slowly.


43 posted on 11/15/2008 6:25:20 PM PST by daniel1212 (I sent unto you all my servants the prophets,... saying, Oh, do not this abominable thing)
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Is it time to amend the IRS code to allow religious leaders the freedom to speak on current issues that have become politicized?

What do you think the odds of that happening under the Obama presidency, with an almost filibuster proof Senate and big majority in the House?

46 posted on 11/15/2008 6:32:01 PM PST by TheBattman (Pray for our country....)
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Sadly, there are many “yellow dog” Democrats interspersed among the church congregations and the pastors of those churches are in most cases, to their shame, dependent on their salaries too much to make their Democrat sheep offended. We attended one like that for over three years, and I was miserable, in large part because of just that fact. Having communion with these people was not particularly a happy thing to me, but my husband was so into the place that it was a long time before I finally cried foul. - There’s another very small church near us that is totally in agreement on the conservative side in their politics. Hubby didn’t like that one all that well, but I may just go back there and at least visit some of the time. Church hasn’t been a very happy place for me in a long time due to the strain between us; I finally just quit going for a while altogether.


53 posted on 11/15/2008 6:50:31 PM PST by Twinkie (REPENT! Look Up! The Lord's Return Is At Hand . . . . .)
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