Skip to comments.A vision of hope, dashed by madness and death
Posted on 11/16/2008 4:27:46 AM PST by CE2949BB
OAKLAND Convinced Jim Jones was God, Garrett Lambrev was the first person to join Peoples Temple in Ukiah in 1966 after the group moved from Indiana. Ten years later two years before the Jonestown tragedy he was part of a wave of defectors, shaken to the core by tales of torture and wanting nothing to do with a god who could sanction such things. He was reviled as a traitor and lived in fear for his life.
Yet as Lambrev reflects on the enigma of Peoples Temple, his thoughts settle not just on the horrors of the final days.
"The media images so many of them dwell on the piles of bodies, the rotting human beings in the jungle of Guyana," said Lambrev, a librarian who is semiretired from the Oakland Public Library, looking every bit the part with his glasses, white hair and goatee, and surrounded by stacks of books in his Oakland home.
"Without trying to reduce the impact of (Jim Jones') degeneration, because he was indeed a classic dictator gone mad, there was still a lot of significance to Peoples Temple that history overlooks," he said. "It spoke of hope. Of connection. All these races and cultures living and working together, very successfully for the most part.
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Yes he can....
Once a fool, always a fool, I guess.
THat’s Mussolini that made the trains run on time, not Hitler. But close enough.
Jim Jones had the backing of the Democrat party.
Lambrev still tries to apologize for that Communist. Once a cultist, always a cultist.
Once again, 10 minutes on Free Republic teaches more than 10 hours of Free Public TV.
Evidently the Left has noticed the similarities between Jones and Obama. Not to worry, selective blindness works wonders. (Besides, if you complain, you’re a racist.) Peace and happiness will be handed out along with your tax dollars, whether you like it or not...all over the world. Who cares that this is nuts, and a few millions will be thrown under the bus. Sit down and shut up. The Obama propaganda machine is in full swing.
I could only imagine Shemp Smith and Geraldo picking through piles of bodies.
Do these people live under rocks most their lives?
I live in all manner of a multi-racial society, and we all share the same vision of loving our families, providing for our loved ones, working hard at our jobs, obeying the laws, living out the Golden Rule with each other.
Um, this has been going on for over 4000 years.
Only the leftists find this shared vision to be "unacceptable. To leftists, "Access to the Divine" can only be arrived at via Marxist or Stalinist tyrant.
Truth time. People who join cults like Jimmie Jones? Are people who bore themselves.
G_d's grace, abundance, and excitement is all around us at all times, always has been. The days are simply not long enough to fulfill all the interests and wonders we each have inside us. People who join cults like Jimmie Jones are people who take every moment alive, for granted. And do not see beauty. And so they create a "conduit", usually in the human form, who does the work to create a vision for them.
Not only are such followers bored with themselves, they are lazy.
Concerned Relatives was a network of tremendously courageous people. And yes, the mysterious deaths of the Mills was shut down. Not even the pressies wondered aloud what had happened to them. We, in the SF Bay Area, paying attention, understood the message being sent by the puppet masters of the Bay Area. I think the Mills were Arkancided.
"I can haz Stockholm Syndrome?"
That was Mussolini.
And then everybody ended up dead. But aside from that little flaw it was wonderful.
Germans are big on precision. That’s why they make so many clocks there (Switzerland too).
And, yes you are right; the trains ran on time.
At the time I was working for a man whose son-in-law was in the military or national guard or something back then and he had to go down and bring the bodies back in body bags. I will never forget my boss telling me how awful it was for his son-in-law. I will never forget this as long as I live.
Some things just stay with you.
Poor deluded man. It’s kind of hard for all races and cultures to live in peace when one of the political systems masquerading as a religion wants to convert or kill all others.
Who cares that this is nuts, and a few millions will be thrown under the bus. Sit down and shut up. The Obama propaganda machine is in full swing.’
I think it will be many millions if no one stops NObama.
In the first sentence, the obvious analogy just screams out.
JIm Jones and other cult leaders are popular because people can rely on them to do the thinking that they can’t face doing themselves.
For some people, the real world with all it’s complexities is ‘too much’ for some people to deal with and when someone comes along and promises to take care of them and sort things out for them, they (people, followers) usually end up being completely controlled, usually to the point where they end up dead.
I saw two documentaries and in one it mentioned how Jones was going down mentally and he was ready to take them (followers) with him.
Followers usually follow them to death because they have invested their entire psych and self in that person that they willingly go with them.
Here’s a girl who quit the “cult.”
No, that was Mussolini. Hitler was the one whos vas a badt man, shure, but at least he luft docs undt schildern.
Certainly the ones that went to Auschwitz.
Iwould not believe Snopes if they said water was wet.
I guess you are unfamilar with “das akademische Viertel”?
Would Zero have the same powers on people that old Jim had?
I dare say, he probably could.
Until it is broadly recognized that the only purpose of state power is its own aggrandizement, at whatever human cost, we are condemned to endless mass murders.
On the bright side, none of these tyrannies last forever. ;^)
Guess I watched Die Hard once too often.
You are right but I don’t know why I am supposed to be familiar with it or why you are posting this to me.
I am presently reading “Children of the Flames.” I wish our children were made to study the holocaust more in depth. I was taught very little and I believe children today know far more about Woodstock than they do of the holocaust.
It kind of reminds one of that beast Hitler in the last days in his bunker.
The followers of totalitarianism want people to be ignorant so history can be repeated.
Because it belies the German reputation for punctuality.
Reminds me of the studio cafeteria scene in "Blazing Saddles."
"Hey Joey, how's it going?" (to a fellow actor in a Hitler costume)
"They lose me right after the bunker scene."
I know it’s false it just that slogan applied to Mussolini
Okay, so what does the academy teach and what dies viertel mean?
Trying to find a way to blame Republicans.
Veirtel mean quarter. In this case, a quarter hour. Basically, classes at German universities (and apparently Dutch and Scandanavian as well) start fifteen minutes after the time published in the schedule. There are various explanations, but the most popular is academic laxity.
I never heard of that. I know when I was in Switzerland, things were on time. Italy was very on time as well (trains, boats, etc.) Middle eastern countries not so. Greeks, not so. The French - oy! On any given day, there could be a strike - it could last minutes, hours, days. Se la vie.
Hitler made the trains run on time to Auschwitz, Treblinka, Sobibior and Belzec.
Yeah, in the documentary his son was telling about how Jones was screaming over the phone for his son to return.
“Not to worry, selective blindness works wonders.”
Doesn’t it just?
Watch toward the end of it.