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Deprogramming Jihadists
The NY Times ^ | November 7, 2008 | KATHERINE ZOEPF

Posted on 11/16/2008 9:33:13 AM PST by forkinsocket

The sunset prayer had just ended, and Sheik Ahmad al-Jilani was already calling his class to order. When the latecomers slipped into the front row, Jilani nodded at them briskly. “Young men,” he began, “who can tell me why we do jihad?”

The members of the class were still new and a bit shy. Jilani clasped his hands and smiled encouragingly. Before him, sitting in school desks, were a dozen young Saudi men who had served time in prison for belonging to militant Islamic groups. Now they were inmates in a new rehabilitation center, part of a Saudi government initiative that seeks to deprogram Islamic extremists.

Jilani has been teaching his class, which is called Understandings of Jihad, since the center was established early last year. A stout man who makes constant, self-deprecating references to his weight, the sheik is an avuncular figure, popular with his students. On this chilly evening he had on a woolly, brocade-trimmed bisht, the cloak that Saudi men wear on formal occasions or in cool weather, which gave him a slightly imposing air. But behind his thick glasses, his eyes shone warmly as he surveyed the classroom.

Finally, someone answered: “We do jihad to fight our enemies.”

“To defeat God’s enemies?” another suggested.

“To help weak Muslims,” a third offered.

“Good, good,” Jilani said. “All good answers. Is there someone else? What about you, Ali?” Ali, in the second row, looked away, then faltered: “To . . . answer . . . calls for jihad?”

Jilani frowned slightly and wrote Ali’s answer up on the white board behind him. He read it out to the class before turning back to Ali.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: class; deprogramming; globaljihad; islam; mohammedanism; radicalislam; saudiarabia; stealthjihad; taqiyya
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1 posted on 11/16/2008 9:33:13 AM PST by forkinsocket
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To: forkinsocket

What joke. You can’t ‘deprogram’ Jihadists when Islam’s scripture defines it to be exactly what they’ve been doing in the first place.


2 posted on 11/16/2008 9:46:08 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: forkinsocket

There is no “right time” to kill in the name of God.

And yet, the Koran itself teaches that there is.

The best avenue this guy is taking is to get them to think for themselves.


3 posted on 11/16/2008 9:47:43 AM PST by Safrguns
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To: Safrguns
All it takes is for another Imam to come along right after they get out of "jihad is an inner struggle" school (nowhere in Islamic scripture does it say that) and point to "scripture". Islamic Scripture also tells them that they guy trying to deprogram them is an apostate.

Tabari IX:69 "Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us.""

Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."

Qur'an:2:216 "Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims), though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not." [Another translation reads:] "Warfare is ordained for you."

Ishaq:489"Do the bastards think that we are not their equal in fighting? We are men who think that there is no shame in killing."

Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."

Qur'an 2:191 "And kill them wherever you find and catch them. Drive them out from where they have turned you out; for Al-Fitnah (polytheism, disbelief, oppression) is worse than slaughter."

Qur'an:33:22 "Among the Believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allah and have gone out for Jihad (holy fighting). Some have completed their vow to extreme and have been martyred fighting and dying in His Cause, and some are waiting, prepared for death in battle."

4 posted on 11/16/2008 9:59:50 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: forkinsocket
use one of these... just stick it in their mouth and pull the little metal thingy inside the metal loop thingy.

Shotgun Pictures, Images and Photos

I think that you'd be getting 100% deprogramming results. Of course past performance in no way guarantees future success.

5 posted on 11/16/2008 10:16:48 AM PST by erman
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To: forkinsocket

Aren’t they best “deprogrammed” by means of cranial lead injection?


6 posted on 11/16/2008 10:41:51 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: forkinsocket

Never believe anything about Islamic Jihad that you read in the msm. Ever.


7 posted on 11/16/2008 11:34:02 AM PST by sageb1 (Justice is for lawyers. Liberty is for We,The People.)
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To: Nathan Zachary
“What joke. You can’t ‘deprogram’ Jihadists when Islam’s scripture defines it to be exactly what they’ve been doing in the first place.”
Uh, sure ya can!

BOOM!

There...

See?

A deprogrammed jihadist!
8 posted on 11/16/2008 8:18:05 PM PST by Fichori (I believe in a Woman's right to choose, even if she hasn't been born yet.)
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