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1 posted on 11/18/2008 5:07:20 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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After benefits, my company (a Tier One industry partner) was paying $48 per hour.

Not a single one of those jobs remains in the USA.
We now manufacture in Mexico and Korea just to stay alive.


2 posted on 11/18/2008 5:09:58 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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Union Workers at Big Three Automakers Average $73 an Hour

This is AVERAGE???? That's 146K a year without overtime plus benefits. And the cars kinda suck.

NO BAILOUT!!

5 posted on 11/18/2008 12:37:43 PM PST by Centurion2000 (To protect and defend ... against all enemies, foreign and domestic .... by any means necessary.)
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Is it right to tax the average worker making $28.50 to bailout workers whose labor cost is over $73 an hour?”

Of course not, but what is right is secondary to what is less disastrous.

8 posted on 11/18/2008 12:43:40 PM PST by RightWhale (Exxon Suxx)
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Gee, the big three have about 150 thousand workers and about 450 thousand retirees. It would seem that the bailout of the big three and the UAW looks a lot like the coming bailout of Social Security.


11 posted on 11/18/2008 12:50:43 PM PST by MIchaelTArchangel
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bump


15 posted on 11/18/2008 1:01:22 PM PST by gibsosa
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Half of the $25 gazillion dollars the UAQ wants to steal from our pockets is just for health care expenses.
16 posted on 11/18/2008 1:07:40 PM PST by LiberConservative (Typical white guy)
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“Is it right to tax the average worker making $28.50 to bailout workers whose labor cost is over $73 an hour?” Perry asked. “

Wow, what a play on words. In reality, the $28.50 earner actually costs $60 per hour and that is the actual number that should be used for the comparison. Yes, there is a disconnect, however it is not as sensational as the headline and the article are trying to imply.


17 posted on 11/18/2008 1:08:36 PM PST by CSM (IÂ’m jubilant! Now that the Dems are completely in charge, we can FINALLY blame THEM for everything!)
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The new talking point is that the Japanese government pays the healthcare costs of their auto workers, so of course their costs are lower. It doesn’t sound right though. Are they actually sending checks over here to pay workers’ health insurance premiums?


20 posted on 11/18/2008 1:24:16 PM PST by waverna
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How American is that car?

It’s harder than ever to figure out which cars are the most American. The government requires that automakers disclose what percentage of a new vehicles’ components are U.S. or Canadian and where the vehicle was assembled. Here is the information for most new models. The 2006 data was the latest information disclosed to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration by automakers. The 2007 and 2008 statistics were compiled by USA TODAY from automakers and from visits to car dealerships. (Story)
Manufacturer Make and model
Model year Percent content US/ Canada Assembled in:
US/Canada Outside

Go to: http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2007-03-21-car-content-chart_N.htm


21 posted on 11/18/2008 1:26:57 PM PST by KeyLargo
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Chapter 11 is going to be the only intelligent solution. Tell the retirees that there will be some belt tightening. Anyone with less than X amount of years of service in the company will have to come back to work, or, if not vested, go to work someplace else. Medical service will be dialed back.

Companies are going to have to get down to about $50 to $55 an hour to be competitive. management is going to have to give up a lot. Millions in "bonuses" for zippo, need to go away. Middle management layers could be stripped out.

If neither of these groups want to consider these options it's going to get tough. It will get tough enough that they could all be out in a soup line if they don't want to think about these things...
33 posted on 11/18/2008 5:00:51 PM PST by Issaquahking (Obama won the election, and America lost!)
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I am against any bailout unless the UAW and its members take about a 40% haircut on Wages and fringes. The same applies to the AutoMakers.

Why should AMERICANS pay for the corrupt unions bailout if they won’t take a haircut too. Enough is enough.


35 posted on 11/19/2008 10:39:40 AM PST by ncfool (ObaBama stands for The New United Socialist State or "TNUSSA")
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