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Arm [College] Students With Guns? Some Say Yes
KIRO-TV ^ | November 18, 2008

Posted on 11/18/2008 5:38:23 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

SAN MARCOS, Texas -- Violence on college campuses is a growing concern among students, and some say it's time to take protection into their own hands -- by carrying guns.

Mike Guzman, a senior at Texas State University-San Marcos, is among 30,000 members of Students For Concealed Carry on Campus, a group dedicated to a nationwide effort to make it legal for students to carry concealed handguns on campus, San Antonio television news station KSAT reported.

"It's a tool that we're allowed to use across the street in larger society, so why not on campus?" Guzman said.

Concealed handguns may not be carried at various places including schools, polling places and courts, according to the Concealed Handgun Statute (PDF) as provided by the Texas Department of Public Safety.

"It's almost offensive that I can carry a firearm every single day when I'm in the Marine Corps, and yet, when I come on campus, I can't be trusted," Guzman said.

The SCCC formed in response to the April 16, 2007 shooting at Virginia Tech University that claimed 33 lives, including that of the shooter.

Virginia Tech had another brief scare early Nov. 13, 2008, after a nail gun cartridge produced sounds similar to gunfire and prompted warnings and news alerts across campus, according to The Associated Press.

The group advocates that states allow people with concealed handgun licenses to carry their firearms on college campuses in an effort to prevent additional carnage from a potential threat and to help deter any future attacks. Guzman said allowing law-abiding students with concealed carrying licenses would also reduce other campus crimes such as burglaries and sexual assaults.

"I don't know. That kind of scares me," Texas State freshman Rachel Yon said. "I wouldn't go for that."

Guzman is also the administrator of a Texas State Facebook group advocating the allowance of concealed handguns on campus. That group has 188 members as of Nov. 13. Conversely, a Texas State Facebook group against allowing concealed handguns on campus has 540 members as of the same date.

"I believe it would be a bad idea," Texas State senior Adam Cervantez said.

Guzman testified before the Texas House Law Enforcement Committee in June, and now has State Rep. Joe Driver, R-Garland, -- chair of the Law Enforcement Committee -- and State Sen. Jeff Wentworth, R-San Antonio, crafting bills for consideration.

Utah is currently the only state that allows concealed handguns to be carried on campus.

Gun Sales On The Rise

In the days leading up to the general election, news organizations around the country and nationally reported an increase in sales at local gun shops, attributing the news to gun-owners' fears -- stoked by the National Rifle Association -- that Barack Obama would seeks limits on gun ownership.

"If you want to buy a gun, now's the time to do it because a lot of things might change after Jan. 20," San Antonio-area gun enthusiast Ken Slater said.

The Washington Post, citing statistics from the federal government's National Instant Criminal Background Check System database, reported 8.4 million background checks from Jan. 1 to Sept. 28, compared with 7.7 million in the same period the previous year -- a 9 percent increase.

But it's not clear that gun ownership has increased in the recent past. The Violence Policy Center, citing University of Chicago statistics, found that the percentage of U.S. households reporting guns in the home dropped from 54 percent in 1977 to 34.5 percent in 2006.

Obama repeated during his campaign for the presidency that he believes the Constitution protects individual gun-owners' rights and that he does not want to take away their guns.

"I have large numbers of sportsmen and gun owners in my home state, and they have supported me precisely because I have listened to them and I know them well," he said in his April 16 debate with Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Critics dispute what he says. They point out that he once sat on the board of Joyce Foundation, whose Gun Violence Program "supports efforts to bring the firearms industry under comprehensive consumer product health and safety oversight as the most promising long-term strategy for reducing deaths and injuries from handguns and other firearms." As an Illinois state lawmaker, he supported a ban on all forms of semiautomatic weapons and tighter state restrictions generally on firearms.

"I think there is an individual right to bear arms, but it's subject to commonsense regulation" like background checks, Obama said during a news conference following the shooting deaths of six students, including the gunman, at Northern Illinois State University in February.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; bho2008; campuscarry; campussafe; campusspeech; education; mikeguzman; obama; presidentelectobama; rtkba; sanmarcos; sccc; schoolviolence; selfdefense; swt; swtsu; vatech; virginiatech
Responsible students 21 and over? Yes, they should be able to carry.
1 posted on 11/18/2008 5:38:24 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The local University teaches a carry permit class every week which is quite well attended each time. Many University students and faculty take the course, but the University will not allow any firearms on campus. When I was attending there in the sixties, my roommate had a 12 gage in the dorm room and used to shoot tossed tin cans on weekends int he parking lot out front. Campus police sued to come by and give it a try with their squadcar shotgun. No one was ever shot on campus back then. Now that weapons are banned, there have been two fatal shootings in the past three years on campus. Of course, when I was riding the school bus to school in the fourth grade, my older brother was on the rifle team and carried his .22 and a box of ammo to school on shoot days. No one ever shot people at schools back then. I happen to know the principle had a pistol in his desk from when I was sent to the office and he was cleaning it on his desk and finished while I sat fidgeting until he loaded it and put it away.


2 posted on 11/18/2008 5:45:50 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"It's almost offensive that I can carry a firearm every single day when I'm in the Marine Corps, and yet, when I come on campus, I can't be trusted," Guzman said.

You can't carry on a military base, either. It's ridiculous.

3 posted on 11/18/2008 5:47:50 PM PST by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I taught skeet shooting at the University of Southern Mississippi and the first thing I did after getting the job was to check with the chief of campus security.

He had no problem with students keeping their guns in their vehicles tho it was technically against the rules.

BTW, I used to date a little cutie from SWTS in San Marcos. Boy that campus was chock full of babes.

4 posted on 11/18/2008 5:48:16 PM PST by yarddog
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Concerning the university in my home town...

It is is not a good place to be late at night, and if you take evening classes or attend campus events there, that’s when you’re walking home.

You can call campus police to escort you, but that is an even worse idea. The people who take campus security jobs are basically the lower cruft of society and I think more sexual harassment complaint have been filed against the campus police than anyone else.

So if you are an attractive young lady who just wants to get to her freaking car after class without being raped, it sure would be nice to have a gun, don’t you think?


5 posted on 11/18/2008 5:48:41 PM PST by explodingspleen
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To: MHGinTN

>while I sat fidgeting until he loaded it and put it away.

*gasp* - Storing a loaded handgun! [/sarc]


6 posted on 11/18/2008 5:50:48 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"I don't know. That kind of scares me," Texas State freshman Rachel Yon said. "I wouldn't go for that."
7 posted on 11/18/2008 5:51:10 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: SIDENET
I just saw a TV show about the battle of Iwo Jima a few days ago. Something they pointed out was that as soon as the Island was declared secure, they went around and collected all the ammo from the Marines.

Sure enough, that very night around 250 Japanese who had been overlooked, sneaked into the airfield and killed a bunch before they were finally all killed. Fortunately a lot of Marines violated orders and kept some rounds.

8 posted on 11/18/2008 5:51:34 PM PST by yarddog
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
How times change.

I went to college in Maine as an 18 y.o. in 1974.

I had a Remington model 700 30-06 and a Remington Targetmaster .22 under my bed for 2-3 years. Nobody said boo.

Lots of folks had rifles because it was a hunting culture and nobody hid them.

The bongs we hid in the closet under our laundry...

9 posted on 11/18/2008 6:00:40 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I graduated from SWT in the 80’s. Man that was a fun time. We just won two Div II football titles and the women outnumbered the men 4 to 1.

Glad to see that the liberals haven’t overrun the school


10 posted on 11/18/2008 6:03:11 PM PST by Dacula (So long and thanks for all the fish.)
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To: Travis McGee
"Utah is currently the only state that allows concealed handguns to be carried on campus."

In case you need to shoot one of your wives...

11 posted on 11/18/2008 6:06:36 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

18 and over with parents permission slip and parents side arm.


12 posted on 11/18/2008 6:09:02 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In the days leading up to the general election, news organizations around the country and nationally reported an increase in sales at local gun shops, attributing the news to gun-owners' fears -- stoked by the National Rifle Association -- that Barack Obama would seeks limits on gun ownership.

Wrong on several counts:
1) Gun sales went up prior to the election, but *through the roof* after the election
2) The NRA didn't "stoke fears", Obama's voting record did.
3) Barack Obama and his commie coup buddies in congress *will* attempt to restrict the 2nd amendment based on his record, not his meaningless words. It is illogical for them to leave an opposition force (gun-owning conservatives) armed within their captured territory. A coup must be the only armed force.

13 posted on 11/18/2008 6:16:06 PM PST by aWolverine
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To: aWolverine

When they get their ducks in a row, they will.


14 posted on 11/18/2008 6:17:43 PM PST by sport
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To: SIDENET

I believe that any student enrolled in ROTC and any teacher that passes comprehensive tests should be allowed to conceal and carry on campus. I do not think that the police will ever get there in time to stop it.


15 posted on 11/18/2008 6:19:26 PM PST by giantsfan123 ("we cannot invade the mainland United States there will be a rifle behind each blade of grass.")
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To: sport
When they get their ducks in a row, they will.

Those ducks will never succeed. It's permanent duck season now.

16 posted on 11/18/2008 6:19:43 PM PST by aWolverine
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; DaveLoneRanger

Pinging you Dave

The funny part is that by the time I’m 21, Obama will have been president for.... oh 7 months and I’ll still be living on campus another oh... 4 months. I have little hope that I”ll not have to go through hell after that to own a gun.


17 posted on 11/18/2008 6:26:30 PM PST by Toki ("Palin Pingers" Freepmail Liberity Rocks or me to get on the list today!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If the Constitution means anything, then it is their right. The Constitution does not make provision for age, btw. A 16 yo can be just as capable with a gun as a 21yo. Public and private schools should start to issue mandatory gun safety classes, so they know what to do with a gun at an early age.


18 posted on 11/18/2008 6:32:08 PM PST by Force of Truth (The "common good" will make us all common.)
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To: MHGinTN
When I was attending there in the sixties, my roommate had a 12 gage in the dorm room and used to shoot tossed tin cans on weekends int he parking lot out front.

That would be unlawful discharge.

19 posted on 11/18/2008 6:34:51 PM PST by Force of Truth (The "common good" will make us all common.)
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To: yarddog
Fortunately a lot of Marines violated orders and kept some rounds.

Lived in the South my whole life. When I was 12, I met this redneck kid. He showed me where a piece of metal had slide down the inside of the skin in his wrist and made a gnarly scar. And went on to tell me how he carried a gun with him most everywhere he went. I told him he needed a permit for it. He acted surprised. I told him it would cost him $50. He laughed and told me he don't need to pay no 50 dollars to carry a gun around.

Anyway. I've never been in the military, but I'm going to college next fall and I will be a good marine.

20 posted on 11/18/2008 6:43:55 PM PST by Force of Truth (The "common good" will make us all common.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

One of the biggest mass-shootings in history was from a University of Texas bell-tower; the man was later autopsied, and found to have a huuuuge tumor in his brain.

Why weren’t more people killed?

When he started shooting, many Texas students (and faculty) swiftly responded by simply shooting back at the tower —many of them had rifles in their trunks, dorm rooms.

In many cases, the sniper’s aim was spoiled, and he had to take cover within the tower.


21 posted on 11/18/2008 7:05:37 PM PST by gaijin
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To: aWolverine

We shall see soon enough.

Someone said that if every German Jew had a Mauser Rifle and six rounds of ammunition and the willingness to use it, Hitler would have been a footnote in the history of the Weidnmyer [sp?]Republic.

I hope that historians will not say the same about us. But we shall find out for ourselves soon enough.

Do not be lulled into a false sense of security, this man has every intention of carrying out the agenda of his associates.


22 posted on 11/18/2008 7:58:07 PM PST by sport
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To: aWolverine

Daffy always got the short end of the stick, and Elmer’s muzzle in his noodle.


23 posted on 11/18/2008 8:02:46 PM PST by wastedyears (Every FReeper is on Obama's Black List. He will try to have us all "taken care of." Mark my words)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I think the entities with "gun free zones" should be sued anytime they fail to protect the individuals on their property.

If they deny an individual the ability to protect themselves, I assume they are taking on that job and should be held legally and financially accountable for anyone harmed as a result.

24 posted on 11/18/2008 8:42:14 PM PST by TNdandelion (This should be fun.)
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To: sport

Weimar...


25 posted on 11/19/2008 12:58:12 AM PST by ExGeeEye (The biggest disadvantage in America today is not fitting into any particular victim group.)
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To: ExGeeEye

Thank you.


26 posted on 11/19/2008 6:10:57 AM PST by sport
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To: MHGinTN

The Virginia Tech shooting occurred one year after Va Tech banned guns on campus.


27 posted on 11/19/2008 7:29:28 AM PST by TaxRelief (Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: Force of Truth; MHGinTN
Look how PC we've become, even here on FR:

That would be unlawful discharge.

28 posted on 11/19/2008 7:33:02 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Responsible students 21 and over? Yes, they should be able to carry.


They NEVER mention the 21 age limit in these stories.


29 posted on 11/19/2008 7:48:09 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Politicians, like diapers, should be changed often. And for the same reason.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lots of attacks on females at the U of Oregon in the last couple of weeks. A couple of perps springing leaks would put a stop to it.


30 posted on 11/19/2008 9:55:05 AM PST by gundog (When the SHTF, it will not be evenly distributed.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Yeah whatever. That’s just the law. You can’t fire a gun within the city limits. That’s dumb anyway. Shooting at cans? Go back in the woods and do that.


31 posted on 11/22/2008 12:28:25 PM PST by Force of Truth (The "common good" will make us all common.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; beltfed308; wastedyears; warrior9504; marktwain; The Spirit Of Allegiance; basil; ..


You've been pinged because of your interest in Students for Concealed Carry on Campus and the ongoing mission to remove the double standard of concealed carry between college campuses and city sidewalks.
Add me! / Remove me

32 posted on 11/22/2008 4:29:28 PM PST by DaveLoneRanger ("In this world you will have tribulation. But be of good cheer! I have overcome the world." - Christ)
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