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Evangelicals -- A Drag on or Essential to the GOP?
davidlimbaugh.com ^ | 11/20/08 | david limbaugh

Posted on 11/20/2008 5:24:05 PM PST by lancer256

A good friend of mine (let's call him Bob) is convinced that unless the GOP puts abortion "aside as its focal point, it simply cannot win and regain power." That's especially interesting in light of Kathleen Parker's latest column, which disses the evangelical wing of the GOP.

Bob's point is that "we've lost a majority of women over this issue as they have become one-issue voters." It's not only liberal women but also others who believe it's simply not the government's business.

Kathleen Parker broadens the point considerably beyond abortion: "The evangelical, right-wing, oogedy-boogedy branch of the GOP is what ails the erstwhile conservative party and will continue to afflict and marginalize its constituents if reckoning doesn't soon cometh." Since the 1980s or so, says Parker, the GOP "has become increasingly beholden to an element that used to be relegated to wooden crates on street corners. ... The GOP has surrendered its high ground to its lowest brows. In the process, the party has alienated its non-base constituents."

I'll resist the temptation to respond specifically to Kathleen's uncharitable indictment of us knuckle draggers because I like Kathleen personally and because I want to respond to her and Bob's overlapping contention that certain social conservatives are dragging the party down.

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1 posted on 11/20/2008 5:24:05 PM PST by lancer256
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To: lancer256

“Kathleen Parker broadens the point considerably beyond abortion: “The evangelical, right-wing, oogedy-boogedy branch of the GOP”

This woman has done far more harm to the conservative cause over the last three months than any Democrat has.


2 posted on 11/20/2008 5:26:17 PM PST by Grunthor (bush04 - 62, 040, 610 mccain08 - 58, 164, 693.......Moving left is NOT the answer!)
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To: lancer256

If the GOP thinks the Evangelicals are a drag, we can go elsewhere. Sayonara.


3 posted on 11/20/2008 5:26:36 PM PST by TommyDale (I) (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: lancer256
Is the heart essential to the body? Yes and so are Evangelicals essential to the Republican Party.
4 posted on 11/20/2008 5:27:40 PM PST by jveritas (God Bless President Bush and our brave troops)
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To: Grunthor

She has done zero harm because she is absolutely nobody. Those morons are only made important by political junkies.


5 posted on 11/20/2008 5:28:48 PM PST by jveritas (God Bless President Bush and our brave troops)
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To: TommyDale

I dare the GoP to keep moving left.


6 posted on 11/20/2008 5:30:45 PM PST by omega4179 (Obama recession ends 1-20-13)
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To: lancer256

Ignore them again and see how it works.


7 posted on 11/20/2008 5:31:04 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: lancer256

Maybe we should all get together and form our own party ...


8 posted on 11/20/2008 5:32:04 PM PST by Tarpon (America's first principles, freedom, liberty, market economy and self-reliance will never fail.)
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To: lancer256
A good friend of mine (let's call him Bob) is convinced that unless the GOP puts abortion "aside as its focal point, it simply cannot win and regain power."

They said the same thing after the 1992 elections, dubbed by the media as "The Year of the Woman". There was also a Kathleen Parker type pundit that year, though he was a male. His name was Kevin Phillips. He had been a GOP pundit for years, but he became a media darling in 1992 by predicting the GOP would die unless it dumped the religious right, particularly the pro-lifers. Not many people today remember Kevin Phillips. Kathleen Parker should prepare for a similar fate.

9 posted on 11/20/2008 5:34:18 PM PST by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: lancer256

I am hardly an Evangelical, but if the GOP abandons abortion as an issue (what’s this “focal point”?) my support drops further.


10 posted on 11/20/2008 5:34:34 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: lancer256

This woman is a retard and should be ignored.

That being said, her argument isn’t completely without merit. Voting coaltions based on social preferences is not an enduring coalition. Only economic conditions are enduring.

The GOP didn’t lose because of abortion; it lost because it lost credibility on the economy, the tax issue, and on fiscal conservatism.

Still ignoring a voting block that represents 26% of the electorate and breaks almost 3 to 1 towards the GOP is probably the stupidest thing I have ever heard in my life.

Maybe we should just give up on the south as well and fall back to conservatism’s last redoubt in Oklahoma and Kansas.


11 posted on 11/20/2008 5:34:55 PM PST by DiogenesLaertius
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To: lancer256

The republican party - agree on anything?
The republican party - come together and vote in a bloc?
It just ain’t gonna happen.
Too many splinters.
Too many haters.
Too many one-issue voters.
It’s like herding cats.
We are therefore doomed.
“We have seen the enemy and he is us.” - pogo


12 posted on 11/20/2008 5:35:13 PM PST by Repeal The 17th
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To: puroresu

yeah...he was such a Gergen


13 posted on 11/20/2008 5:37:27 PM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: sionnsar

yeah I’m not going to fight to give tax cuts for people who want to kill babies.


14 posted on 11/20/2008 5:39:05 PM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: wagglebee; little jeremiah; NYer; MeekOneGOP

Ping.
Get a load of this nonsense...


15 posted on 11/20/2008 5:39:47 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (Don't blame Texas.. No more RINO's or Mavericks)
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To: lancer256

She wants to boot 25-40% of the Party in hopes of gaining a couple percent of the middle. Brilliant!


16 posted on 11/20/2008 5:40:10 PM PST by Ingtar (For the first time in my adult life, I am NOT proud of America.)
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To: Tarpon

Right after the election, the gay barbarians are on the rampage again. They are attacking and invading churches and now we hear that the dating service E Harmony was just forced by a judge to offer a website to the homosexuals even though there are plenty of gay dating services already.

The social issues are not going away. It is obvious that the crazies are just going to get more crazy and in-your-face. They will not quit until life is absolutely intolerable.

People who do not understand the importance of social issues are without vision. Man does not live by bread alone. It is not just about the economy. Unfortunely there are too many people in both the Democrat and Republican parties who just don’t get it.


17 posted on 11/20/2008 5:41:52 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Grunthor

The GOP is a drag on Christianity.

Only somewhat less so than the DemonRATs.

From what I can tell, a majority in BOTH parties disagree with the following.

* Abortion is MURDER

* Euthanasia is MURDER

* Homosexual behavior is a SIN.

* Divorce for any other reason than sexual impurity is SIN.

* If a man will not work, neither should he eat.


18 posted on 11/20/2008 5:42:13 PM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: jveritas
Evangelicals essential to the Republican Party.

This is absolutely correct but it's also a simple fact that the Republican party needs RINOS to win elections.

19 posted on 11/20/2008 5:44:09 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: lancer256
"we've lost a majority of women over this issue as they have become one-issue voters."

Ah, I see... It's OK if women are one-issue voters over abortion, but bad if conservatives and evangelicals are.

I'm a pro-life conservative atheist who is disgusted at the cr*p piled on "the religious right" by the media, RINOs, and libs.

20 posted on 11/20/2008 5:44:18 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but he’ll give us the shaft.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Correct. However the the groups that vote Republicans are much closer to each other socially and economically then the factions that vote democrat. The democrat party is made of absolute opposites.


21 posted on 11/20/2008 5:48:08 PM PST by jveritas (God Bless President Bush and our brave troops)
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To: lancer256
there was a chunk of them (evangelicals and other staunch conservatives) missing during the election. If McQueeg had not been the standard bearer, we might have won this fishing tournament.

as it was Sarahcuda made it a horse race...

22 posted on 11/20/2008 5:52:09 PM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: lancer256

Parker is a traitor, she has no say in what the GOP should do.

Explain how you are different from a dem if you’re for abortion.

McCain being unable to differentiate himself from Obama was why he lost.

The strongest arguments against Obama came from Palin, McCain just made grunting sounds about reaching across the aisle when what we are wanting is someone that will fight, someone that will articulate what conservatism is about.


23 posted on 11/20/2008 5:52:32 PM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: lancer256
I will NEVER vote for a pro choice rep (national or local, ever.
24 posted on 11/20/2008 5:53:37 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (Don't blame Texas.. No more RINO's or Mavericks)
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To: LibFreeOrDie

Yes - there are a lot of women who only vote on that issue and I think they are morons - I, as a female myself, think there are more issues out there that trump whether someone is pro-life or pro-choice - you have to look at all the issues and platforms of the party - plus - as long as nobody is forcing their belief system on you then it should be ok - if we can communicate that we believe in less govt. and that it’s a state issue effectively maybe we can make a difference. I also think that a lot of these young female voters only voting on that issue will wise up esp. after they get married and have children - and some may wise up if this presidency bombs


25 posted on 11/20/2008 5:56:16 PM PST by Lilpug15 (GIRD YOUR LOINS!)
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To: lancer256; All

Evangelicals put Jimmy Carter into the White House.
The Evangelicals sat home for George H. W. Bush, Bob Dole and John McCain.
Those are the facts.
Essential, yes. Dependable, no.


26 posted on 11/20/2008 5:57:24 PM PST by fortunate sun (Proud Palinista!)
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To: lancer256; All

Pity poor Ms. Parker. She’s all aglow at the moment from her recognition and praise from the left. Problem is, they’re through with her and will be discarding her soon. She’s served her purpose. On top of all that, the right doesn’t want her back. Her career is circling the bowl.


27 posted on 11/20/2008 5:59:01 PM PST by mozarky2 (Ya never stand so tall as when ya stoop to stomp a statist!)
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To: All

Right on, David.


28 posted on 11/20/2008 5:59:26 PM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism, it's the new black.)
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To: lancer256
They are both. Conservatives have different flavors and when we get over identified with one of them it causes a loss of the other flavors. Also politics is frankly more cultural then ideology. We are losing everyplace outside of the evangelical, southern and small town culture. On the other hand they are absloutely essential to us. We need a new fusion and leaders who can balance them all.
29 posted on 11/20/2008 6:00:02 PM PST by bilhosty
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To: fortunate sun

addendum:
I’m against abortion. Not a result of religion, simple value and respect for innocent life. If an individual wants to end his or her life, ill or not, let him or her do it and wave bye with a smile.


30 posted on 11/20/2008 6:00:31 PM PST by fortunate sun (Proud Palinista!)
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To: lancer256

When conservative Christians don’t come out and vote REPUBLICANS LOSE (McCain, 2006 Congress, Dole, Bush Sr 2nd term).


31 posted on 11/20/2008 6:01:03 PM PST by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: lancer256

I believe that the democrats have out manuvered the GOP on this issue. Talking to 2 college girls about abortion, they stated they had to vote democrat because they let you keep your baby. I said “WHAT”, they said they let you keep your baby. I asked What does “pro-choice” mean? -they said it means you can keep your baby and you don’t have to get an abortion. I then asked them what the republicans believe,- they didn’t have any idea,- I asked them what Pro-Life means - they never heard of that. I then asked them where they learned this, they both said their high school teachers and their college professors - AND they went to different high schools and different colleges.
We have been out manuvered on our message!

We are not reaching the youth of this country and they don’t understand our message


32 posted on 11/20/2008 6:02:17 PM PST by conservativesister
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To: Repeal The 17th

Now you’re a person who understands the true make up of the party.


33 posted on 11/20/2008 6:02:45 PM PST by joesbucks (Sarah Palin: "I believe John McCain is the best leader that we have in the nation right now,)
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To: Westbrook

“* Divorce for any other reason than sexual impurity is SIN.”

I agree with your entire post except for the above.


34 posted on 11/20/2008 6:04:17 PM PST by Grunthor (bush04 - 62, 040, 610 mccain08 - 58, 164, 693.......Moving left is NOT the answer!)
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To: lancer256

Funny how women desperately want to murder their offspring. Maybe this is a sign that the country is in its last days. No sane society would promote the murder of their next generation like half this country seems to.


35 posted on 11/20/2008 6:05:12 PM PST by dan1123 (If you want to find a person's true religion, ask them what makes them a "good person".)
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To: dan1123

Name three developed nations that have outlawed abortion.


36 posted on 11/20/2008 6:06:58 PM PST by durasell
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To: fortunate sun

“Evangelicals put Jimmy Carter into the White House.
The Evangelicals sat home for George H. W. Bush, Bob Dole and John McCain.
Those are the facts.
Essential, yes. Dependable, no.”

Socons (not many of them) are not going to vote against their faith, or their values which stem from it. Not ever.


37 posted on 11/20/2008 6:07:52 PM PST by Grunthor (bush04 - 62, 040, 610 mccain08 - 58, 164, 693.......Moving left is NOT the answer!)
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To: durasell
Name three developed nations that have outlawed abortion.

Are you equating "developed" to "sane"?

38 posted on 11/20/2008 6:10:50 PM PST by dan1123 (If you want to find a person's true religion, ask them what makes them a "good person".)
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To: dan1123

No, I’m saying that abortion is not particular to the U.S.


39 posted on 11/20/2008 6:12:23 PM PST by durasell
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To: Grunthor; All

Yet, they would be elect, by default, a candidate who embodies those things they abhor. funny, huh?


40 posted on 11/20/2008 6:12:25 PM PST by fortunate sun (Proud Palinista!)
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To: fortunate sun

“Yet, they would be elect, by default, a candidate who embodies those things they abhor. funny, huh?”

What is worse, voting FOR a candidate such as you describe, simply because it has an “R” following it’s name or NOT taking a pro-active step to further the career of such an animal?

I don’t mean worse politically, I mean worse morally.


41 posted on 11/20/2008 6:16:12 PM PST by Grunthor (bush04 - 62, 040, 610 mccain08 - 58, 164, 693.......Moving left is NOT the answer!)
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To: jveritas

I agree.

Has anyone noted that the Dem party never insults any one of its many groups—some so bizarre and extremist they can be described as mentally ill. The Dems won’t even criticize criminal organizations or gangs. They all vote together come election day. I may be (very) conservative but I accept that a lot of varied groups can vote with my party to win an election. Having a big tent wins because numbers of votes are what wins.

However, you don’t build a big tent by insulting as unintelligent a group of otherwise similar voters. I personally think pro-life is the intellectual high brow position. Regardless, a large set of perspectives is needed to win elections. Why does this writer have to insult so harshly those with a different view. This doesn’t happen in the Dem party. KP’s recommendation is the path away, not toward, victory.

I am glad evangelicals, agnostics, gays, and others are voting with me—even though we may have different opinions on one or more issues. Together we win and when conservatives win, the intellectual high road wins. When conservatives win, the future is brighter for everyone because the govt is less oppressive. Of course we disagree some—that is the nature of humans—but throwing intolerant insults is no way to move forward to victory.


42 posted on 11/20/2008 6:18:02 PM PST by iacovatx (If you must lie to recruit to your cause, you are fighting for the wrong side.)
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To: Grunthor

> I agree with your entire post except for the above.

I hope your opposition is based on cruelty or physical abuse.

For these, I can understand a secular government that would make an exception.

Biblically, separation, not divorce, would be required in such a situation.

The issue is quite complex, and involves the vetting process that should occur by parents during the courtship.

One thing I tell my daughters is that, if any boy is interested in them, I will look at how he treats his mother and his sisters, if he has any, or how he regards women who are not subjects of his romantic (or sexual) interests.

I will also look at his relationship to his father and to his boss at work. If I hear, “My boss is a jerk,” the young man will have disqualified himself.


43 posted on 11/20/2008 6:18:21 PM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Westbrook

“I hope your opposition is based on cruelty or physical abuse”

My three acceptable reasons for divorce; Adultery, abuse or addiction.

I realize that my views are at odds with the Holy Bible and I would remind you that they used to stone prostitutes to death in the Bible as well....until Jesus stood up with one of the most powerful phrases ever uttered by anyone, ever.


44 posted on 11/20/2008 6:21:18 PM PST by Grunthor (bush04 - 62, 040, 610 mccain08 - 58, 164, 693.......Moving left is NOT the answer!)
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To: Grunthor

Okay, the R candidate is Pro-life, the D candidate is pro-abortion. By not voting for the R candidate, you have knowingly become an accomplice to the act of abortion. Acts or non-acts have consequences.


45 posted on 11/20/2008 6:22:01 PM PST by fortunate sun (Proud Palinista!)
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To: iacovatx
I do not know why conservative bloggers and commentators are giving importance to this incredibly insignificant Kathleen Parker and her opinion. She is no Rush Limbaugh and no Sean Hannity, not even one per million of the influence that these two guys have. She is nobody.
46 posted on 11/20/2008 6:24:33 PM PST by jveritas (God Bless President Bush and our brave troops)
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To: fortunate sun

Somewhere on FR has been posted, a few times, the breakdown of voting patterns which indicated that socons actually turned out for McCain, it was fiscal conservatives who stayed home. That makes sense, as he has a pro-life record but voted for the bailout.


47 posted on 11/20/2008 6:24:38 PM PST by mrsmel (That one is not my president.)
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To: Grunthor

> until Jesus stood up with one of the most powerful
> phrases ever uttered by anyone, ever.

Yes, but adultery is still sin.

In the very incident you mention, Jesus said to the young woman, “Go and sin no more.”

Most people probably don’t know that.

While the penalty for adultery certainly should NOT be death, at least in this life, it is still a sin.


48 posted on 11/20/2008 6:26:13 PM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: fortunate sun

“Okay, the R candidate is Pro-life.....”

I am not a one issue voter. Look at my home page. Feel free to copy and paste. Where does you rhetorical Republican stand on ALL of those issues?


49 posted on 11/20/2008 6:27:30 PM PST by Grunthor (bush04 - 62, 040, 610 mccain08 - 58, 164, 693.......Moving left is NOT the answer!)
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To: Grunthor

will read and provide follow up -— thanks


50 posted on 11/20/2008 6:30:07 PM PST by fortunate sun (Proud Palinista!)
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