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The Auto Makers Are Already Bankrupt
Wall Street Journal. Online ^ | nov 22, 1009 | PAUL INGRASSIA

Posted on 11/22/2008 5:58:05 AM PST by Leisler

The moment of truth in the nation's automotive bailout debate might have come this week. As the CEOs of GM, Ford and Chrysler begged Congress for federal aid, a Detroit radio talk-show host asked whether Michigan, as well as the car companies, should get assistance. The state is being hit by an economic hurricane, he said, just as New Orleans was hit by a natural hurricane. Huh? Will the victimology myth never end? Hurricane Katrina was an act of God. The car crisis is an act of man. For the difference, consult the Bible. Any version will do. Yesterday, congressional leaders gave the car companies until Dec. 2 to come up with viable business plans and renew their request for aid. Meanwhile, it's worth examining the myths that are shaping this debate. One is GM's assertion that "bankruptcy is not an option." In truth, GM already has conceded that it's bankrupt -- by publicly stating it's nearly out of cash and needs emergency assistance. The company hasn't made a formal bankruptcy filing, which is no small matter. But it has declared bankruptcy everywhere else. Chrysler, at this week's Senate committee hearing, did the same. A second myth is that management changes in Detroit would be pointless. GM CEO Rick Wagoner said he wouldn't resign to secure federal aid for his company. This was like Louis XIV saying, "L'État c'est moi."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: 110th; automakers; bailouts; detroit
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1 posted on 11/22/2008 5:58:05 AM PST by Leisler
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To: Leisler
The auto industry is not nearly as badly hit as the milk industry.
2 posted on 11/22/2008 6:00:48 AM PST by bloodmeridian (W failed us.... it's time to reclaim America. Read your Constitution.)
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To: Leisler

What did the car companies do during the great depression of the 30’s?


3 posted on 11/22/2008 6:01:23 AM PST by o_zarkman44 (Since when is paying more, but getting less, considered Patriotic?)
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To: bloodmeridian

Bad link.


4 posted on 11/22/2008 6:01:37 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit.)
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To: Leisler

Ceo should resign when a publicly held co. goes bankrupt
You did not cut costs for your Shareholders, Rick Loser.


5 posted on 11/22/2008 6:01:47 AM PST by omega4179 (Obama recession ends 1-20-13)
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To: Leisler
Let me try this again... The auto industry is not nearly bad off as the milk industry
6 posted on 11/22/2008 6:02:13 AM PST by bloodmeridian (W failed us.... it's time to reclaim America. Read your Constitution.)
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To: Leisler
The one thing I can't figure out is why none of the big three has NOT declared bankruptcy years ago...and got out from under their massive debts and union contracts.

It is not like it has not been done before.

I guess they figure no one would buy a car from a bankrupt company...?

7 posted on 11/22/2008 6:03:02 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Leisler

It’s been a bad morning....

The milk industry is worse off than the auto industry:

http://feedyouradhd.blogspot.com/2008/11/milk-industry-moos-for-bailout.html


8 posted on 11/22/2008 6:06:10 AM PST by bloodmeridian (W failed us.... it's time to reclaim America. Read your Constitution.)
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To: 2banana

Yep. Appears to me like their financial reporting has been deficient (materially understated liabilities?), and there might be some jail time due for corporate officers (fraud). Too bad the real culprits (union bosses and the DemocRATic Party pols) don’t get to join in some of that.


9 posted on 11/22/2008 6:06:34 AM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: Leisler
Hurricane Katrina was an act of God

Wrong. The flooding of New Orleans was also the result of human folly in building a large city below sea level. I remember that after the storm sensible people argued against rebuilding much of the town. But instead, the productive, sane, disciplined people of America (an ever-shrinking minority, based on the last election) are expected to bail out everyone who does something stupid or corrupt.

10 posted on 11/22/2008 6:10:29 AM PST by hellbender
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To: o_zarkman44

Many smaller manufactures went out of business. Some where bought up.


11 posted on 11/22/2008 6:11:15 AM PST by Leisler ("Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever. " Lenin)
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To: bloodmeridian
Obviously the third time was a charm, blood.


" ... We know that methane gas is a serious contributor to global warming, but just how are you supposed to feel comfortable producing milk when you have a suction pipe attached to your ass all day long,” Smith asked the committee ..."


This leads me to believe that attaching suction pipes to all the asses in Congress (with the exception of Barney Frank and his queer friends, of course) might just solve many of our current problems.

1) It may just be so uncomfortable that they would not be able to continue destroying what is left remains of this country.

2) The combined gas output provided by these idiots may be substantial enough to power the country for the foreseeable future.

12 posted on 11/22/2008 6:21:25 AM PST by G.Mason
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To: Leisler

Just before Katrina hit, someone here was saying that the hurricane could cause $10 billion in damages. Some Freeper from Detroit chimed in and said that if Katrina hit his home town it would do $10 billion in improvement.


13 posted on 11/22/2008 6:23:51 AM PST by Locomotive Breath
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To: o_zarkman44

Went out of business.

Cord, Pierce-Arrow, Bantam, Willys would have were it not for the Jeep,Duesenberg, Auburn...about 50 manufacturers shut down in the depression, leaving only the strongest companies. Washington didn’t lend a dime and the best companies survived and thrived.


14 posted on 11/22/2008 6:27:33 AM PST by When do we get liberated? ((Ok, Im the official Pit Bull Defender/If you can't stand behind our troops, stand in front of them.)
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To: Leisler

Mitt is right - NO BAIL OUT!

Taxpayers shouldn’t be paying for this.
File for bankruptcy.
NO union payoff.


15 posted on 11/22/2008 6:27:58 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: When do we get liberated?

“Washington didn’t lend a dime and the best companies survived and thrived”

Thats kind of what I was thinking.


16 posted on 11/22/2008 6:29:16 AM PST by o_zarkman44 (Since when is paying more, but getting less, considered Patriotic?)
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To: 2banana

“I guess they figure no one would buy a car from a bankrupt company...?”

Thats exactly what they are afraid of. But it don’t look like people are buying at present either. I don’t think it bothered Chrysler when Iacocca took them over as CEO in recievership, FOR ZERO SALARY! And Chrysler has done good in the years since considering the burdemsome union contract that remained intact.

This is more about the Democrats trying to save one of their biggest campaign contributors and voting blocs, the UAW.


17 posted on 11/22/2008 6:34:47 AM PST by o_zarkman44 (Since when is paying more, but getting less, considered Patriotic?)
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To: 2banana

I guess they figure no one would buy a car from a bankrupt company...?

The percentage of companies that come out of chapter 11 is low. Who would want to buy a car not knowing if the warranty would be any good or if parts would be available. Plus, with the computers on cars now there are some things that regular mechanics don’t have the equipment for, only dealers.


18 posted on 11/22/2008 6:54:48 AM PST by millerph
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To: Leisler
Wikipedia has a really impressive list of defunct US car makers. It is amazing that so many tried and so few succeeded in that business.
19 posted on 11/22/2008 6:55:12 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: G.Mason
BAD SENATOR
20 posted on 11/22/2008 6:56:35 AM PST by odin2008 (EVIL TRUMPHS WHEN GOOD MEN DO NOTHING)
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