Posted on 11/23/2008 7:14:21 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
How telling that RUSSIA’s leaders identify themselves with Stalin and the Soviet Union... instead of saying, well, that Russia was a victim of Soviet Communism itself.
Once again, the descendants of Stalin can not bear to see the truth of his work brought out into the light.
This should be an annual event. So Russia can be shown to the world as not merely anti-democratic but insanely unforgiving of any attack put upon Uncle Joe.
At least Germany does not celebrate Hitler. But the KGB is not so readily open to condemnation for the acts of its henchmen.
Exactly. The Empire of the Rus was founded in Kiev/Kyiv. I don’t see a future with separate Russian and Ukrainian states - unless the Russians continue to insist upon it which is what they seem to be doing. The ignorant thugs who now run Russia seem committed to a world in turmoil and a Russia bound for self destruction (again).
McCain was, and is, right on one thing. He said when he looks in Putin’s eyes he sees KGB. And anyone who thinks Putin hasn’t surrounded himself with like minded souls is delusional.
"Holodomor"? Let me eat some humble pie here, and admit I have no clue -- what does the word mean? Yes, I've heard the basic facts of a Stalin imposed "famine" on Ukraine, somehow ignored or covered up by the Western press, where millions died, in what years, 1928?
Seems curious though, that Russians might want a "common position on the tragedy." How about the facts of history?
No doubt Obama has this book, and adores it.
Holodomor is the Ukranian word (holod, hunger, and mor, plague) for the imposed famine in 1932/33.
It was a very powerful first chapter. I think the book was about the boy after he grows up and goes to work for the Soviet state in the 50s. I was going to order the book but never did. That was a couple years ago. I was looking for that book on Amazon, and could not find it. Does anyone remember that book's title or the author? Hopefully, someone on this thread remembers it.
After the Bolshevik Revolution most farms in the Ukraine remained in private hands. In the fall of 1932 the NKVD and Red Army came in and confiscated the harvest, leaving farmers with nothing to eat and no money to buy food. Between two and a half and three and a half million people, mostly children, many if not most Jews, starved to death or died of diseases associated with famine. The Soviets then moved to “save” the people of the Ukraine from the inefficiencies of bourgeois capitalist agricultural practices by collectivizing their farms and deporting large numbers of those who resisted collectivization to more fertile areas, like Siberia.
That’s the history. The The Soviet Union and the Communist Internationale denied it and western reporters with communists leanings either wrote articles denying the claims of survivors who escaped the famine or just kept it out of the western press.
One good source is “Let History Judge: The Origins and Consequences of Stalinism” by Roy Medvedev. Medvedev was a Georgian Marxist historian who wrote in the Soviet Union during the “Glasnost” era. (Presumably no relation to the current Russian President.) He’s not the most accessible writer and his translator is pretty inept but there are a lot of interesting tables in the appendices.
A joke being told when I was a young man was of an old sick Russian, hearing a knock on the door, asks "Who is there?",the answer comes back "Death is here, I have come for you,", replies the old man "Thank God, I thought it was the KGB!". More truth in that old joke than one can imagine.
Yeah, some of the "other ingredients" were sawdust of various types.
Check this out on Amazon.com. Note the list price, used are a bit cheaper!
There is the gold standard by Robert Conquest and his book is “Harvest of Sorrow Soviet Collectivization and the Terror-Famine”
http://www.amazon.com/Harvest-Sorrow-Soviet-Collectivization-Terror-Famine/dp/0195051807
In November 2005, Conquest was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
Yea, definitely a book to check out from your local leftist library.
Just ordered it.
I’ve heard of Conquest for years and have seen this work sited numerous times but have never been able to find a copy in any library or book store in this area. Since the Soviet Union fell apart before the age of the internet really took off, I guess I just never thought to check Amazon.
The novel you are looking for is “Child 44” by Tom Rob Smith. It is exceptional for a first book, and if you never knew of the horrors imposed by Stalin before, you will have a good hint of them after you read it.
Thank you very much.
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