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To: 7thson
Well, first of all, the crux of you problem (or perhaps dilemma is a better word) can be found in your last sentence: to wit, he's a college educated lib! (Are there any other?) Have you been to an "institution of higher learning" lately, say, within the past 20 years or so? With very few exceptions, these are the thought processes they "teach" our young 'uns.

To move past this, your friend must become open to the concept of "Accuracy In Thinking", which involves critical thought and logical analysis. Until that happens, you might as well be talking to the wall.

Denial, of course, has been a well exercised trademark of liberal mental legerdemain. Even in the face of overwhelming empirical evidence they will deny the obvious, or, if that becomes well nigh impossible, they'll blame it someone else, never their own.

This intractability makes intelligent conversation difficult, if not impossible. If, however, you are determined to plunge ahead, then that is what we'll do.

First off, the source(s) is NOT a blog. Maybe there's a lot of commentary going on there, but it's not the news story.

The news story has, in fact, been in the wind for quite some time (before the actual nationalization has taken effect, of course). But exactly what is it about Argentina that makes this story completely incomprehensible to your friend? That nation is a banana republic (well, the "republic" part really is just window dressing), and in that political climate, stuff like this is the norm. You mention that little fact to your friend.

Now, if his vision of a "US Nationalized Health care plan" does not follow the Euros or the Canadians, then just what will the template be? If under his vision "we still keep the health care we have now", what is the impetus to nationalize? If it's a new plan, it can't, by definition, be the old plan, because our fearless, feckless leaders have found the old plan wanting and unsatisfactory, necessitating installation of a "new" plan!

Has your friend ever entertained the idea that this whole charade is nothing more than a part and parcel of leviathan government's insatible desire for yet another power grab? Probably not, but you should mention it in passing.

Actually, all this is kind of moot. The government is busy committing hari kari, and they're intent on taking the rest of us with them. This "bailout" thing is growing like Topsy, it's getting out of control (really, out of the government's ability to "control"). Along with all the other unfunded liabilities we've saddled the nation and future generations with, we have these "taxpayer-funded bailouts", almost none of which will see repayment of any kind, being given to concerns that would be much better served, from the public weal point of view, by either declaring bankruptcy and then asking for federal assistance, or being allowed to expire altogether, allowing new and more vibrant economic entities to take their place in growing a new economy.

The bottom line? The government, in spite of (or perhaps because of) it's best intentions ("the road to hell is paved with good intentions"), is not going to make it. The really bad news is, neither will we.

It depends on how much you value the friendship of this guy - it's certainly not my place to determine those things for you - but if your friend is open to rational discourse, you might subtly mention that with most people of inquiring intellect their real education starts the moment they leave school. To give you a little insight on that, it wasn't until well after a year after I left high school that I became aware there actually was another point of view (that was the mid '60s).

I'm college educated, too, but my conversion to capitalism and conservatism occurred outside the classroom, and I have found myself none the poorer for having taken that approach.

Good luck with your friend.

CA....

16 posted on 11/24/2008 8:42:02 AM PST by Chances Are (Whew! It seems I've at last found that silly grin!)
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To: Chances Are
Your last thoughts reminds me of when I was in the Navy and came out of RM A school. The first thing they tell you in the fleet and/or on shore duty is to forget all the crap they taught you in A school. Here is how it really works.

Thanks for the advice. I try not to get drawn into these conversations. It leaves me frustrated and exasperated.

18 posted on 11/24/2008 9:41:51 AM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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