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To: allmendream
==Still nothing to contradict the data...Over a thousand DNA bases a chimp will have more similarity to a human that it will to a gorilla...Do you invent a conspiracy theory to explain it? That is usually how you explain away contradictory data.

I actually broke down and decided to look into the matter as it is obvious that your materialist faith prevents you from grasping the obvious. The first thing I noticed is that your sources, as per usual, have been rendered out-of-date by further research. If the human-chimp similarity is such an open and shut case, then why do the most recent papers on the subject allow for multiple geneological scenarios with respect to the relationship between human, chimp and gorilla? Does your materialist faith allow you to grasp the significance of State CG in the phylogenetic trees below? Does this mean your fellow Darwiniacs are in on the conspiracy too?:

Bottom: Each of the four hidden states in the coal-HMM corresponds to a particular phylogenetic tree. In state HC1, human and chimpanzee coalesce before speciation of human, chimpanzee, and gorilla, i.e., before τ1 + τ2. In states HC2, HG, and CG, human, chimpanzee, and gorilla coalesce after speciation of the three species, i.e., after τ1 + τ2. In HC2, the human and chimpanzee lineages coalesce first, and then the HC lineage coalesces with gorilla. In state HG, human and gorilla coalesce first, and in state CG, chimpanzee and gorilla coalesce first. The hidden phylogenetic states cannot be observed from present-day sequence data, but they can be decoded using the coal-HMM methodology.

Hobolth A, Christensen OF, Mailund T, Schierup MH 2007 Genomic Relationships and Speciation Times of Human, Chimpanzee, and Gorilla Inferred from a Coalescent Hidden Markov Model. PLoS Genetics 3(2): e7 doi:10.1371/journal.pgen.0030007

324 posted on 12/02/2008 9:20:54 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Amazing. All that data shows the branching of humans and chimps as being closer than the branching off of the gorilla line.

This is not a contradiction, and it does not render the data out of date. It confirms the closer evolutionary relationship of humans and chimps than either humans or chimps to gorilla.

Once again you show that you have no idea what the data shows. Once again this is not new, I have been telling you that ERV and genomic data shows this for over a year now GGG.

As the data you source concludes......

http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.0030007

“Furthermore, we have applied this methodology to four long autosomal human–chimp–gorilla–orangutan alignments and estimated a very recent speciation time of human and chimp (around 4 million years)”

325 posted on 12/02/2008 9:29:28 AM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed.... so how could it be Redistributed?)
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