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To: lizol

My understanding of the issue is that, when the bodies were first discovered by the Nazis during the invasion of Russia, the Soviet government maintained no Polish officers were murdered in Katyn in 1940 and that it was the later work of the Germans.

Your posting of the short article seems to imply that the case was dismissed by the Moscow municipal court due to a report by the Russian prosecutors there were no records on the event in Russian military archives. How convenient - for Russia.

Is filing the complaint in Russia, having it dismissed, then taking it to the European Court of Justice all part of a single strategy for bringing Russia into an international legal forum and making it admit to the role the previous Soviet government played in the the killings?

The use of the term rehabilitation is also interesting. Is it the case that the Soviets later maintained that the Poles were criminals that were executed? (Hence the need for rehabilitation.)


3 posted on 11/26/2008 1:02:05 PM PST by Captain Rhino (The best way to calm the delusions of grandeur in the energy cartel is to stop needing their energy)
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I read a very good book about that explains the Polish plight a bit better. It is “When God Looked the Other Way: An Odyssey of War, Exile, and Redemption” by Wesley Adamczyk. I have met Mr. Adamczyk quite a few times. A very enlightened man and someone I always like to speak with. He actually lived through it and his father was one of those Polish officers murdered in the Katyn forest.

This book shows you how the Poles were treated by both the Germans and the Russians, and for that matter, the Allies.

it is very well written and by that I mean that you will read it cover to cover and not be bored.

The bottom line here is that the Russians are still Russians i.e. not to be trusted. The Germans are taking all the blame for the war atrocities only because Russia helped us. Russia has hated Poland since the Poles kicked their asses in 1920 (I believe) and used this opportunity to get erase that black mark against their armed forces from everyone’s memory. They not only wiped out the officers, they also got rid of the Polish white collar workers, essentially taking all the thinkers out of a population. This is where all the dumb polish jokes come from. We had a nation filled with doers, but no thinkers. That is like a brain-damage body. It still functions, but it only does what it is told.

It is a very sad chapter in our (Allies) history. Where have you ever heard of a country that won a war and then had to give their country up as a consequence? The Poles that escaped both the Germans and the Russians formed their own army and was an official part of the Allied forces.

They were known as some of the fiercest fighters in WWII and showed no mercy to the Germans. We then turned around and rewarded them by giving them to Russia. Russia really effed them up after that and it took almost 6 decades for Poland to re-emerge as a future force. Germany will be first on their list. Seeing that they cannot do much to Germany, you will see (and already can see) that they will try everything in their power to piss Germany off.

Germany is going to rue the day they allowed Poland in as part of the EU.


4 posted on 11/26/2008 1:38:53 PM PST by Gaas
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To: Captain Rhino

I thought Gorbachev already admitted to the NKVD’s responsibility for the massacre, including the release of damning documents.


7 posted on 11/26/2008 3:00:25 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Captain Rhino
the case was dismissed by the Moscow municipal court due to a report by the Russian prosecutors there were no records on the event in Russian military archives.

They say, that the evidence show only, that the NKVD took the Polish officers under their "custody". And there is no evidence, that they have been killed. Which is an obvious BS.

Is it the case that the Soviets later maintained that the Poles were criminals that were executed?

The prosecutor representing the Russian government also maintained, that many of the officers can't be rehabilitated, as they deserved what happened to them - being spies.

And he also says, that none of the officers can be rehabilitated, as they had not been sentenced by the Soviet court. They were shot in the head without any, even Soviet trial.

The Russian side also denies to recognize the Katyn massacre as the genocide - because they maintained, that Polish officers were killed not as Poles, but as the members of the social elite.

At the same time they maintain, that the massacre wasn't a war crime either - as there was no formal state of war between Poland and Soviet Union (actually the Soviets invaded Poland in 1939. joining the Germans, without declaring war).

Then - as you can see - this is a crucial Russian input into the wold's legal heritage (SARCASM)
11 posted on 11/27/2008 9:41:30 AM PST by lizol
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