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India has tell-tale evidence of Pak connection, say agencies [Sat Phone Linked to Pak's ISI]
The Times of India ^ | 11/30/2008

Posted on 11/30/2008 3:07:07 AM PST by Xth Legion

NEW DELHI: Pakistan's foreign minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi on Saturday promised to help India unearth the hand behind the Mumbai attack. Well, he will not have to work hard. For, Indian agencies have managed to lay their hands on evidence which has ripped apart Islamabad's perennial denial about the involvement of Pakistan's quasi-state actor in the terror campaign against India. Sources said a satellite phone recovered from one of the rafts that the 10 jihadi desperados used to enter Mumbai on that fateful Wednesday night has yielded tell-tale evidence of the direct involvement of top hierarchy of ISI-backed Lashkar-e-Toiba in the Mumbai mayhem.

The satellite phone records show that the gang remained in touch with Muzammil alias Yusuf who is in-charge of Lashkar's anti-India operations. More crucially, Ajmal has told his ATS interrogators about the direct interest that Zakiur Rahman, a top-ranking jihadi and one of the founding members of Lashkar, took in the anti-Mumbai plot.

Sources said information harvested from the satellite phone, the GPS device that the jihadis used to navigate their way to Mumbai and the detailed account of Ajmal, the gang member in custody, add up to a solid body of evidence of Lashkar's direct complicity.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesofindia.indiatimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bombay; bombayattacks; india; mohammedanism; mumbai; pakistan
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Pakistan is putting troops on the Indian border as well, in a defensive move - India will need to respond. If Pakistan's ISI is involved, India will have very few choices in its response. This situation is going to degrade fast. Obama's new found facial tick is about to get a whole lot worse. This is beginning to look like "The Guns of August".
1 posted on 11/30/2008 3:07:07 AM PST by Xth Legion
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“Obama’s new found facial tick is about to get a whole lot worse “

LOL


2 posted on 11/30/2008 3:10:07 AM PST by Indian_Fighter_Kite
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Wow. God bless the people of India.


3 posted on 11/30/2008 3:11:06 AM PST by GOP Poet
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You know this might be the time for Bush to cut a deal with India to take Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal by force.

It would mean withdrawal from Afghanistan, but removing nukes from an unstable Muslim state like Pakistan would be worth it. The time for doing it grows short as Obama won’t have the juice for it.


4 posted on 11/30/2008 3:18:36 AM PST by Sharrukin
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LeT definitely has a hand in this -- from Wikipedia Operational Strategies

Compared to other groups in J&K, the LeT has commanded significant attention primarily due to two reasons. First, for its well planned and executed attacks on security force (SF) targets in the State and second, for the dramatic massacres of non-Muslim civilians. After the Kargil War of May-July 1999, (when Pakistani troops and insurgents, including those of the Lashkar, were forced to withdraw from peaks on the Indian side of the Line of Control - LoC), the outfit launched its 'suicide attacks' strategy whereby small groups (2-5 members) of fidayeen (suicide squads) would storm a security force camp or base[11].

In another frequently used strategy, groups of Lashkar insurgents, dressed in SF fatigues, would arrive at remote hill villages, round up Hindu or Sikh civilians, and massacre them.[11] These two strategies have been designed to achieve maximum publicity and extract public allegiance, mainly out of fear. On December 8, 2001, two LeT fidayeen managed to penetrate inside a security force convoy and opened fire killing one personnel. They were able to generate adequate confusion to escape from the convoy after the attack but were later killed in an encounter with another SF unit.

5 posted on 11/30/2008 3:28:03 AM PST by Xth Legion (Peace is a great alternative, after you've won!)
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It has been said for some tiime that Pak is aware of the training camps, if not the ISI involvement. But how to deal with it appears to be the issue.


6 posted on 11/30/2008 3:29:02 AM PST by sarasota
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The Home Minister (in charge of security) has just resigned per FOX.


7 posted on 11/30/2008 3:33:44 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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And the New Home Minister is going to be P Chidabirum


8 posted on 11/30/2008 3:34:48 AM PST by Indian_Fighter_Kite
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To: Xth Legion

Do you have confirmation that Pakistan is moving troops to the border with India ? I had heard that they were threatening to do that.


9 posted on 11/30/2008 3:41:13 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: sarasota
more news

Foreign SIM cards, fake IDs from Bangladesh

NEW DELHI: In the fresh leads from the Mumbai terror attack investigation, Intelligence sources say they intercepted conversation between Muzammil, Muzaffarabad chief of LeT operations, and a certain Yahya in Bangladesh.

Yahya arranged SIM cards, fake ID-cards primarily from western countries like Mauritius, UK, US, Australia. A Mauritian identity card was found on one of the terrorists shot down.

The satellite phone found on the MV Kuber also has shown that calls were made to Jalalabad. These calls were traced to Zakir Ur Rehman, a chief of training of the LeT. Intelligence sources have also revealed that in the second week of July, intelligence officials knew about 25 terrorists training in the Pakistan village of Durbari Mitho, and that an ISI agent was also involved in the training.

10 posted on 11/30/2008 3:41:28 AM PST by Xth Legion (Peace is a great alternative, after you've won!)
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For anyone to think that every country in the world isn’t being infiltrated by terrorists is being very naive. Note the ages of the Mumbai terror group. Train them up from birth, use them for martyrdom and engage the next batch. No wonder there was no intel discovered until now.


11 posted on 11/30/2008 3:45:11 AM PST by sarasota
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To: justa-hairyape
no confirmation just a threat to move them made to a select group of journalists Pak may relocate 100,000 armymen to border

However there a lot of moves and counter moves going on here - I just saw this headline from Pak Tribune India denies of any army deployment across the border

12 posted on 11/30/2008 3:51:08 AM PST by Xth Legion (Peace is a great alternative, after you've won!)
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And the New Home Minister is going to be P Chidabirum

What's your opinion of him? Also- I'm wondering if the government is still sticking to the story there were only 10 terrorists?

13 posted on 11/30/2008 3:52:17 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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The problem India is facing is the loyalty of the 140 million Muslims in India itself. Pakistan alone is not that dangerous, except for the nukes. Pakistan has been backing terrorists and militia’s in a proxy war with India for decades. The ISI is neck deep in it and the civilian governments are so corrupt and weak that there is little they can do, or care to do, to rein the radicals in.

The Indians are caught in a balancing act between the increasing militant Hindu radicals and the Muslims. If they fail to act against the Pakistani provocations they strengthen the Hindu nationalists and alienate moderate Hindu’s. If they act against the Pakistani’s, they need to do so in a way that doesn’t further radicalise the Muslim minority within India.

It is not a balancing act which I think can continue indefinitely. India is doing well economically so the chance of unrest is increasing. India will take some minimal action against Pakistani backed militants in Kashmir, and this could spark border clashes with Pakistani army units. I do not think India will do more than this, but of course these things have a tendency to get out of control.

This will possibly mean the end of the civilian government in Pakistan.


14 posted on 11/30/2008 3:55:03 AM PST by Sharrukin
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I do not think India will do more than this, but of course these things have a tendency to get out of control.

This will possibly mean the end of the civilian government in Pakistan.

My thoughts exactly. Pakistan is in a real tight spot and the civilian rule could crumble at any moment. You have 4 factions: The military, the ISI, the civilians and the extremists

15 posted on 11/30/2008 4:01:06 AM PST by Xth Legion (Peace is a great alternative, after you've won!)
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You know the west really has no good options here. I think we may have to do a bug-out from Afghanistan. We either gain Russian assistance with the supply routes or we leave as I do not believe we can rely on a Pakistani government that could leave our troops stranded.


16 posted on 11/30/2008 4:09:34 AM PST by Sharrukin
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Heck, we would be better off moving the US troops to Georgia. Give the Russians exactly what they do not want. Let India settle its score with Pakistan. Of course, that is exactly what Obama will not do. My guess is he will surge into Afghanistan and get the troops cutoff when the India Pakistan Cold War goes hot. The Russians will then say nyet and make their major move on Georgia.
17 posted on 11/30/2008 4:21:58 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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It is time that India move troops to the border with Pakistan, particularly up the ante on the Line of Control.

Bush and Obama should STFU and stay out of it.

This is India's battle. They have the dog in the fight, not us.

I advise all Americans to consider leaving India as soon as possible.

I would also discuss what the Free, Civilized West can do at this critical time to encourage India, raise war bonds if necessary, keep the pro-India message strong in the world press, etc. as it begins the path of going to war against Pakistan. The world press to turn 100% PRO-MUZZIE/PRO-PAKISTAN if it looks like at long last PRO WESTERN, ANTI-ISLAMOFASCIST INDIA is finally going to do something about that South Asian cancer.

al Jazeera, CNN, Wash POst and NYT will lead the anti-Indian charge.

Get ready for it folks.

18 posted on 11/30/2008 4:31:21 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Shouldn't we form "Committees of Correspondence" thru Freepmail & V-Cards if FR is to be shut down?)
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Why do we give a hoot about Georgia? I mean the Europeans aren’t willing to back a stand there. The Turks won’t either. The Pakistani’s are more our enemy than a friend, and without these countries (Turkey in particular) Georgia has little strategic value.

Starting to look too much like Don Quixote tilting at windmills if you ask me. The alliance is largely a dead letter IMO.


19 posted on 11/30/2008 4:34:01 AM PST by Sharrukin
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If the civilian government within Pakistan collapses, the western media will look idiotic supporting Pakistan.

Of course that has never stopped them in the past.

20 posted on 11/30/2008 4:37:04 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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